Why have the white British left London ?

[sydney]

For anyone who has been to Newham or Barking and Dagenham(the top two with the decrease) then its not hard to understand why the people have moved out. I bet there is a poll that shows that many rats have left as well for a nicer area.
In all seriousness London has become a shitehole and decent civilized people want to get out. Before you all jump on the your racist bandwagon, my girlfriend is mixed race and my immediate circle of friends are either of west Indian descent or mixed race. Also before you say anything, maybe you should talk to the older West Indian people who came here and had to work, in that community is a strong family ethic and they are taught manners and are also disciplined if they step out of line.
The reason people are moving out is because the further out you go there is less crime, less anti social behaviour and also cheaper property prices so its really a win win.
Do the figures quoted account for the fact that a lot more foreign families have also moved in so that will obviously dilute the percentage of the white population.
On the outskirts of the Lewisham borough things are not that bad, but if you own a property and can therefore sell it and move somewhere else then if you lived in some of the areas that are bad you would. New cross, Peckham, Camberwell, Lewisham, Norwood, Brockley, Stockwell, Kennignton, Streatham, Brixton, Thornton Heath etc et ad infinitum. If you owned a property in these areas anyone in their right mind would sell it and move somewhere better.
I could go on and on but it would be like an essay.

the west indians aren't really a problem are they...?? there is no rabid religion involved there ...is there....? don't get me wrong ,not after an argument.......the british have been far too benevolent and are now ,rapidly loosing control , one team sees the other team getting ahead and immediately wants to break even...........the west indians , the indians and the poles actually helped us out in the past..........there are others who have done f*** all to help us in any way but appear to be first in the queue with the hand out in almost a nonchalant "i 've earn't it" attitude................have they...??

 

[User removed 4]

Merton? How can you seriously concern that to the situation in London, to me Merton is the countryside.

you call the likes of phipps bridge and pollards hill the countryside ? its certainly as much inner london as selhurst park is.

 

[EDS]

the west indians aren't really a problem are they...?? there is no rabid religion involved there ...is there....? don't get me wrong ,not after an argument.......the british have been far too benevolent and are now ,rapidly loosing control , one team sees the other team getting ahead and immediately wants to break even...........the west indians , the indians and the poles actually helped us out in the past..........there are others who have done f*** all to help us in any way but appear to be first in the queue with the hand out in almost a nonchalant "i 've earn't it" attitude................have they...??

Where did I say they were the problem? If you look I said all my friends and indeed my girlfriend are in part west Indian/Caribbean. A great many of my friends absolutely despise African people and do not like Muslims either. To put it in a nutshell, the English and the West Indians lived in relative harmony and mix together as well. I can honestly say that the only Muslim person I talk to is the man in the shop and I was surrounded by them, not so much now I have moved out to Bromley. To be honest I have not got a clue where my sons and their children will live as London is only going one way and that is downhill, fast.

 

[Indurain's Lungs]

Well, I'm one the 620,000. My reason was that London was becoming a chore. I started to find it more and more frustrating and a rip off. It became hard work. I still go back a fair bit, mainly for certain restaurants, bars and definately clothes shopping; Brighton is piss poor for clothes. Whilst I missed the metropolitan buzz I did not ever miss the city itself. This said had my wife got a job she applied for a year ago I'd have moved back to Camden.

Same for me. London was great for my early/mid 20s but an hour commute to go 4 miles and a pokey flat were not the ideal environment for family life. We moved to Dorset - forest, beach, big detached house with a garden and under 2 hours to London if needed.

 

[EDS]

you call the likes of phipps bridge and pollards hill the countryside ? its certainly as much inner london as selhurst park is.

You have proved my point exactly, thankyou. Selhurst is not inner London No doubt you will now tell me im wrong?

 

[sydney]

Where did I say they were the problem? If you look I said all my friends and indeed my girlfriend are in part west Indian/Caribbean. A great many of my friends absolutely despise African people and do not like Muslims either. To put it in a nutshell, the English and the West Indians lived in relative harmony and mix together as well. I can honestly say that the only Muslim person I talk to is the man in the shop and I was surrounded by them, not so much now I have moved out to Bromley. To be honest I have not got a clue where my sons and their children will live as London is only going one way and that is downhill, fast.

yes mate , we are agreeing here.............i had a lot of west indian buddies and africans from nigeria and ghana.........they were good people .."enlightened" was the term back in the early 80's..........i will have to be careful here ,i am gutted at what has happened at home so i moved away..........it's happening here now...........what the f***..........we all just want a quiet life dont we...??

 

[The Spanish]

tcheuss.

kissing your teeth at him, I dont know

 

[EDS]

yes mate , we are agreeing here.............i had a lot of west indian buddies and africans from nigeria and ghana.........they were good people .."enlightened" was the term back in the early 80's..........i will have to be careful here ,i am gutted at what has happened at home so i moved away..........it's happening here now...........what the f***..........we all just want a quiet life dont we...??

Yep but you will not get a quiet life in London, I dont think its possible anymore. The only area that amazes me in London is Dulwich village, surrounded by shiteholes but is still a beautiful area and totally unspoilt by modern life.

 

[somerset]

I speak from experience, so please dont tell me my current West Country place of residence doesnt qualify me to comment.

I have lived, worked and socialised for a total of 12 years in London ( Thornton Heath, Brockley, Forest Hill, the City), I have an Uncle and Grandmother still there who I visit regularly, and sadly in my recent visits the story from all those I meet is the same, those that can leave, have left, those that can't just wish they could. The atmosphere in almost all the residential areas I go to and through, is one of menace on the whole, everyone figuratively is looking over their shoulders.

On the other side of London, I visit a very good mate and his family who live just outside Colchester in a small village called Elmstead Market. Now 20 years ago this was a leafy little place with two pubs and a nice community feel. In the 20 years since I first went up there to see him, the village has become overrun with East Londeners 'fleeing' the misery and deprivation of the traditional cockney heartlands east of the 'City'. All of them who expressed an opinion over a few pints over the years, have said they left because those areas were no longer appropriate for bringing up your family in a British way. All of them confirmed that the schools, high streets, councils, police and social service agencies are primarily geared up to support the huge immigrant/non-white communities who have settled in these areas.

Applying a football context to these exchanges, West Ham is now the predominent team right across Essex and South Suffolk, I have seen it with my own eyes, the sports shops in Colchester are full of WHU merchendise, you struggle to find COlchester United kit.( not that I would want any of course)

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Yep but you will not get a quiet life in London, I dont think its possible anymore. The only area that amazes me in London is Dulwich village, surrounded by shiteholes but is still a beautiful area and totally unspoilt by modern life.

I used to ride my motorbike down to Dulwich Park as often as I could, it became my oasis of sanity away from the madness of South London.

 

[EDS]

I speak from experience, so please dont tell me my current West Country place of residence doesnt qualify me to comment.

I have lived, worked and socialised for a total of 12 years in London ( Thornton Heath, Brockley, Forest Hill, the City), I have an Uncle and Grandmother still there who I visit regularly, and sadly in my recent visits the story from all those I meet is the same, those that can leave, have left, those that can't just wish they could. The atmosphere in almost all the residential areas I go to and through, is one of menace on the whole, everyone figuratively is looking over their shoulders.

On the other side of London, I visit a very good mate and his family who live just outside Colchester in a small village called Elmstead Market. Now 20 years ago this was a leafy little place with two pubs and a nice community feel. In the 20 years since I first went up there to see him, the village has become overrun with East Londeners 'fleeing' the misery and deprivation of the traditional cockney heartlands east of the 'City'. All of them who expressed an opinion over a few pints over the years, have said they left because those areas were no longer appropriate for bringing up your family in a British way. All of them confirmed that the schools, high streets, councils, police and social service agencies are primarily geared up to support the huge immigrant/non-white communities who have settled in these areas.

Applying a football context to these exchanges, West Ham is now the predominent team right across Essex and South Suffolk, I have seen it with my own eyes, the sports shops in Colchester are full of WHU merchendise, you struggle to find COlchester United kit.( not that I would want any of course)

Totally agree, my granddad lived in Colchester up unitl he died last month and your analogy is totally correct. I lived in Sydenham from 1995 and even there has changed so much but it is nowhere near as bad as some of the other places that have changed.

 

[sydney]

Yep but you will not get a quiet life in London, I dont think its possible anymore. The only area that amazes me in London is Dulwich village, surrounded by shiteholes but is still a beautiful area and totally unspoilt by modern life.

you have my condolences mate........you can take solace in the fact you can watch your team either live,or in the boozer with a pint in your hand ,you can get a decent(probably excellent) curry any time you want......and yer gear is dirt cheap..........that's progress my man..................seriously don't knock your heritage ,every expat i have met is super proud to be English........probably more so than a lot who are still back home....it's a very touchy subject ....innit..?

 

[User removed 4]

You have proved my point exactly, thankyou. Selhurst is not inner London No doubt you will now tell me im wrong?

How have i proved your point ? in an earlier post you mentioned streatham and thornton heath as areas that have turned into shitholes,, well streatham and thornton heath are literally only over the road from merton, so why castigate the earlier poster for mentioning problems in merton ? which contains phipps bridge and pollards hill to name but two estates with huge problems.

 

[severnside gull]

Bloody hell - it takes a palace supporter (previously) on my ignore list to talk some sense and even that gets twisted! Maybe we could merge this thread with the one about european migrants and let all the xenophobes jerk themselves off together?

 

[narly101]

Merton? How can you seriously concern that to the situation in London, to me Merton is the countryside.

Hence why my post included the "I have lived in London now for over 14 years, albeit Merton, so not as bad as some areas". Read the whole post, dolt.

 

[piersa]

lots of the wealthy chinese and Ruskies have moved in apparently. So people are taking healthy profits on their houses and leaving London. Fair enough. Next.

 

[sydney]

Bloody hell - it takes a palace supporter (previously) on my ignore list to talk some sense and even that gets twisted! Maybe we could merge this thread with the one about european migrants and let all the xenophobes jerk themselves off together?

i had you down as early 50's........how do you still get yer head up yer arse ...

 

[EDS]

you have my condolences mate........you can take solace in the fact you can watch your team either live,or in the boozer with a pint in your hand ,you can get a decent(probably excellent) curry any time you want......and yer gear is dirt cheap..........that's progress my man..................seriously don't knock your heritage ,every expat i have met is super proud to be English........probably more so than a lot who are still back home....it's a very touchy subject ....innit..?

I am more proud to be English than you could imagine, I just wish that we never gave away our identity in London so easily. I very rarely go to pubs and I dont know anything that is dirt cheap in London. I live on the outskirts now, a fifteen minute drive from the Lewisham borough but its very peaceful.

 

[EDS]

How have i proved your point ? in an earlier post you mentioned streatham and thornton heath as areas that have turned into shitholes,, well streatham and thornton heath are literally only over the road from merton, so why castigate the earlier poster for mentioning problems in merton ? which contains phipps bridge and pollards hill to name but two estates with huge problems.

If you consider Phipps Bridge or Pollards hill as two estates having huge problems, then you prove you do not know what your about. They are relative havens compared to some places. Where do you live out of interest?

 

[sydney]

I am more proud to be English than you could imagine, I just wish that we never gave away our identity in London so easily. I very rarely go to pubs and I dont know anything that is dirt cheap in London. I live on the outskirts now, a fifteen minute drive from the Lewisham borough but its very peaceful.

peace to you mate...........but we'll beat you in the play -offs and in march......

 

[User removed 4]

If you consider Phipps Bridge or Pollards hill as two estates having huge problems, then you prove you do not know what your about. They are relative havens compared to some places. Where do you live out of interest?

i live in hayward heath, grew up in battersea and tooting , if you'd consider phipps bridge and pollards hill as not having huge problems, then you don't know what you're on about , how have you even heard of them , you come from sydenham.