[Football] Who’s not watching the World Cup?
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Goldstone Guy
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No. As I said I won't be watching a FIFA organised world cup played in stadiums built by migrant workers resulting in thousands of deaths.
Goldstone Guy
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Go on then - educate me and give me the facts. How many?
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Fair enough. As I say though, what I believe you are missing in trying to understand people's reasons is that their is a list of shitfuckery that is accompanying this world cup. That list is longer then ever before and has pushed it over people's red line.I’m answering posts where people are quoting me and asking me questions
Taking individual items from that list and chucking in some whataboutery would make sense if it were only that thinn causing people to boycott. For me this world cup represents a 'perfect storm's of shit fuckery unprecedented in previous competitions.
No horses or bolts just the perfect storm.
Solid at the back
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Not sure I understand. FIFA are the problem but you'll go back to other tournaments? Like the US / Canada / Mexico fest in 2026?
US construction death rates are pretty grim reading.
Yup
Equidem think the toll is in the hundreds. One things for sure it's not 6500 or close to that.
Robinjakarta
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Not really interested. The whole thing seems to have outgrown football and just become a monster and this time with a ridiculous and just plain wrong venue..
Cornwallboy
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- Oct 13, 2022
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The meaning of odious is 'extremely unpleasant; repulsive' can you honestly say GS is any of those things? If you can have you got examples of such behaviour? To me he always comes across as a really decent guy and lets face it if at the start of his tenure we were offered a semi and a final appearance we would've taken it. Obviously I acknowledge you are entitled to express an opinion on here.
Goldstone Guy
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Fair enough and thanks for the reply. If it is in the hundreds my point still stands - it's crossed the red line for me.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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I didn't find any numbers in this article. the article I posted earlier talked about 4000 deaths but the numbers are impossible to state. What is clear is that no-one really knows the number of deaths.
Equidem are pretty damning about the way workers are treated.
I am like you though even a conservative number is enough to be push it over the line for me. Especially when added to the treatment of workers and everything else.
BN41Albion
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- Oct 1, 2017
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What a joke of a post. Who are you trying to impress? What have you got against a hugely talented crop of youngsters who've (again) started a tournament (where it matters, albeit in the shitshow that is this WC) very well? (You do realise we scored 6 and didn't just concede 2)
You claim to support the BHA players playing for Equador instead but yet you spend most of the time on here also slagging off all things BHA, so....?
hart's shirt
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Here's an illuminating and sobering 2021 article from Safety and Health Practitioner regarding construction fatalities.
https://www.shponline.co.uk/construction/paris-2024-past-and-present-olympic-construction-fatalities-indicate-we-still-have-a-long-way-to-go-says-health-and-safety-expert/
It shows many of the official numbers of previous Olympics (Summer and Winter) and World Cups from 1990 onwards.
Sochi's 2014 Winter Olympics had 70 fatalities. Rio 2016 Summer Games had 11.
London 2012 Summer Games and 2006 Germany World Cup had 0 fatalities. They were the only ones since 1990.
Paris 2024 has already suffered its first fatality in infrastructure construction.
"Beyond the three deaths reported for the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, 34 non-related deaths have been recorded. As per the UK RIDDOR guidelines, these deaths were classified as natural causes and not considered work-place incidents."
https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg453.htm
Clearly the official figure for Qatar is massively different from the ones that have been widely reported.
Fatal accidents will always tragically happen, but there does seem a world of difference between some events and others.
“International sporting events often bring to the fore external pressures that can put overwhelming pressure on project management, which can have a knock-on effect on how health and safety is implemented and managed throughout construction."
“Tight timelines, even tighter budgets, contract rights, national and international oversight, labour rights, economic pressure and a need to boost their international reputation often means that pressure is piled on, corners can be cut, and rules and essential practices ignored – just to make sure that targets are hit."
“This often means that basic health and safety protocols aren’t followed, ethical practices are ignored, labour and employment rights are infringed, project management suffers, and that injuries and fatalities are under-reported or swept under the carpet completely."
“These issues are factors that can affect all construction projects. The difference is that it’s happening on the world stage. This should put pressure on countries to be even more diligent about health and safety – but that’s just not the case. In reality, these issues can develop, and are in some ways even tolerated as long as the work is completed – for many countries, failure or delay isn’t an option."
“Accountability is important. As we look to future sporting events, every country should do its part to ensure that we can celebrate the world’s greatest sporting event knowing it didn’t come at the cost of easily implementable and much needed health and safety.”
https://www.shponline.co.uk/construction/paris-2024-past-and-present-olympic-construction-fatalities-indicate-we-still-have-a-long-way-to-go-says-health-and-safety-expert/
It shows many of the official numbers of previous Olympics (Summer and Winter) and World Cups from 1990 onwards.
Sochi's 2014 Winter Olympics had 70 fatalities. Rio 2016 Summer Games had 11.
London 2012 Summer Games and 2006 Germany World Cup had 0 fatalities. They were the only ones since 1990.
Paris 2024 has already suffered its first fatality in infrastructure construction.
"Beyond the three deaths reported for the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, 34 non-related deaths have been recorded. As per the UK RIDDOR guidelines, these deaths were classified as natural causes and not considered work-place incidents."
https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg453.htm
Clearly the official figure for Qatar is massively different from the ones that have been widely reported.
Fatal accidents will always tragically happen, but there does seem a world of difference between some events and others.
“International sporting events often bring to the fore external pressures that can put overwhelming pressure on project management, which can have a knock-on effect on how health and safety is implemented and managed throughout construction."
“Tight timelines, even tighter budgets, contract rights, national and international oversight, labour rights, economic pressure and a need to boost their international reputation often means that pressure is piled on, corners can be cut, and rules and essential practices ignored – just to make sure that targets are hit."
“This often means that basic health and safety protocols aren’t followed, ethical practices are ignored, labour and employment rights are infringed, project management suffers, and that injuries and fatalities are under-reported or swept under the carpet completely."
“These issues are factors that can affect all construction projects. The difference is that it’s happening on the world stage. This should put pressure on countries to be even more diligent about health and safety – but that’s just not the case. In reality, these issues can develop, and are in some ways even tolerated as long as the work is completed – for many countries, failure or delay isn’t an option."
“Accountability is important. As we look to future sporting events, every country should do its part to ensure that we can celebrate the world’s greatest sporting event knowing it didn’t come at the cost of easily implementable and much needed health and safety.”
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Easy 10
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I've hardly peppered this thread with posts, merely expressed an opinion like most others. And pushed back on the likes of yourself, who have decided that Southgate is some kind of gruesome scumbag, and the England squad not worthy of the filth you would scrape from your shoe following an afternoon stroll in Croydon.You're the one keep rabitting on
You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to call it out as being bollocks.
- Oct 12, 2022
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Just baffles me that those who have a World Cup to watch are spending time here on the one thread for those not watching the World Cup. I believe there’s ‘per match’ threads and everything for the games.
It’s almost as if they feel huge levels of subconscious guilt and need to posture and attack those who have decided not to participate to continue to feel ok about themselves. They need group affirmation that their (in)actions are ok.
Otherwise, they’d be on the World Cup match threads, celebrating the glorious spectacle of the Qatar World Cup, not here sniping at those who (for whatever reason) have turned away.
It’s almost as if they feel huge levels of subconscious guilt and need to posture and attack those who have decided not to participate to continue to feel ok about themselves. They need group affirmation that their (in)actions are ok.
Otherwise, they’d be on the World Cup match threads, celebrating the glorious spectacle of the Qatar World Cup, not here sniping at those who (for whatever reason) have turned away.
Ha! Your point is valid and I haven't posted on this thread as I'm more on the side of the boycotters (I haven't watched any games so far, including the Iran game, but I may do some others).
However consider it revenge for all the times people over the years have posted on England match threads saying how much they "don't care" about the England team.
hart's shirt
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It's never been an either/or binary position with which NSC threads to post on. One generally isn't automatically ruled out of posting on one thread because one's posted on others.
Subconscious guilt? Not here. That's a huge projection. I felt great before the England game and even better having actively watched it. I don't need anyone affirming me here. No-one has to watch this tournament or any other. And I'm not here to make anyone feel the worse for not doing so. But the idea that I'm somehow here because I need some form of sporting confession is risible.
Should Qatar be hosting the biggest global sporting tournaments? Not at the moment for many reasons IMHO. I posted as much 3 years ago during the 2019 IAAF World Athletic Championship empty seat fiasco. But even with the issues surrounding the tournament (some of which I've highlighted on this thread a few posts earlier), I don't feel guilty for watching and supporting my country of birth. And I'll preempt 'the gentleman dost protest too much' counter by anticipating it and calling it out now.
Watch or don't watch the World Cup. Post or don't post on NSC. It's up to the individual.
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Fignon's Ponytail
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I've posted my views about watching earlier in the thread, but was very surprised that my wife and son haven't really watched any of it so far either.
Both are HUGE football fans - but Jnr hasn't bothered tuning in to the games at all yet, while the Missus watched about 20 mins of the Wales game last night before turning over to Only Connect.
World Cup apathy must be really bad if they're not watching.
Both are HUGE football fans - but Jnr hasn't bothered tuning in to the games at all yet, while the Missus watched about 20 mins of the Wales game last night before turning over to Only Connect.
World Cup apathy must be really bad if they're not watching.
This is the bizarre thing. Yes there are some that are not watching on a moral basis but some of the comments about hating England's team are pathetic.