[Politics] Who was the best British Prime Minister of the last 60 or so years?

[mothy]

Maggie romping this one!

 

[Bladders]

Thatcher .

Even after death she’s still making lefties and socialists cry .


That’s legacy for you


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[Doonhamer7]

I can’t believe anyone voted for Thatcher let alone over 50% ffs - the destroyer of true community, creator of selfishness, did more for the rise of Scottish independence than Edward Longshanks, loss of rights.... and as for the poll tax!

 

[beorhthelm]

You could also argue that the extremely lax financial monitoring policies he and Brown followed were directly responsible for the financial crisis. But he legged it before that came home to roost leaving Brown to carry the can.

it was Brown's can to carry, he had ful control of economy, budgets, treasury, fiscal policy.

 

[clapham_gull]

My biggest grouch is his 'university for all'. policy. Polytechnic colleges were great, and we need technical training in this country far more, than degrees in media studies. Kids were going to uni, getting into debt, and ending up doing office jobs.
We needed more apprenticeships, and on the job training paid for by firms, with kids earning as they learned.

Then of course the war.

I get your point, but the "media studies" argument has become a tired cliche.

Many of those students end up in jobs in the media (of which there are many) and pay taxes like everyone else.

I have a degree and a masters. One in "Media Studies" and the other in Computer Science.

It was the first one that got me a job.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I get your point, but the "media studies" argument has become a tired cliche.

Many of those students end up in jobs in the media (of which there are many) and pay taxes like everyone else.

I have a degree and a masters. One in "Media Studies" and the other in Computer Science.

It was the first one that got me a job.

I apologise as it was the first thing that came into mind when I was posting.

It doesn't detract from many young people doing admin work or low paid work with degrees alongside oldies like me, who never had sixth form education let alone university.
My son went straight into a bank at 18, and left 5 years later to join the Fire Service. He has a great job with several promotions.
I still feel there should be more on the job training where youngsters don't get into debt with student loans, but still aquire skills needed in the workplace.

 

[beorhthelm]

I can’t believe anyone voted for Thatcher let alone over 50% ffs - the destroyer of true community, creator of selfishness,

people on the left always say this, dismissing that she delivered what people wanted. a politican doesnt destroy community or create selfishness, people make their communities, look after their neighbours. the failings to provide alternative industy went back to 60's when the mines, factories, dockyards first closed in large numbers. always overlooked.

 

[Eeyore]

Maggie. Apart from the poll tax she got most things right.

You find find a few proud and hard working northerners in disagreement. Mind you, they should just get on their bikes, eh ?

 

[Eeyore]

Blairs worse policy was opening the immigration floodgates.

Did he ? Tell me about that.

 

[Mental Lental]

I'm not sure if I should vote for Harold Wilson or..........the other Harold Wilson myself. Which one's the real one? I think one of them is actually the T1000 pretending to be Harold Wilson.

 

[Albion my Albion]

Deitrich Bonhoeffer. He was the only minister who tried to stand up to Hitler's killing machine and actually take some action by joining a plot to rid the world of this madman. He died in a concentration camp right before the camp was liberated. If anyone deserves the title of Prime Minister it's Pastor Bonhoeffer.

 

[Goldstone1976]

My biggest grouch is his 'university for all'. policy. Polytechnic colleges were great, and we need technical training in this country far more, than degrees in media studies. Kids were going to uni, getting into debt, and ending up doing office jobs.
We needed more apprenticeships, and on the job training paid for by firms, with kids earning as they learned.

Then of course the war.

I have to agree. 30 years ago, 10% of 18-year olds went to uni and 10% of them got a first class degree. Today it’s 50% and 26%. A 13x increase in the number of 21-year olds with first class degrees - there simply hasn’t been a 13-fold increase in the number of jobs requiring a first class degree (nor, of course, have standards been maintained over that 30-year period, but that’s a different - but related - point).

 

[junior]

Thatcher.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

I have to agree. 30 years ago, 10% of 18-year olds went to uni and 10% of them got a first class degree. Today it’s 50% and 26%. A 13x increase in the number of 21-year olds with first class degrees - there simply hasn’t been a 13-fold increase in the number of jobs requiring a first class degree (nor, of course, have standards been maintained over that 30-year period, but that’s a different - but related - point).

Blair's government were hell bent on achieving ever spectacular exam results and sending more and more kids to Uni, year after year after year. We all know how this was achieved and it was the most callous and damaging education policy ever seen in this country. It raised false expectation levels of guaranteed uni places and high paid jobs in Media and IT. Year after year, we watched kids ripping open their envelopes to find ever more A* passes. " How many have you got...." 4 "....." Olivia's got 6 "....etc etc.
Employers kept saying that basic literacy levels were declining year after year but no one took any notice. It was just a one way road to madness and sadness and now those kids have paid the price of cynical government.

 

[Steve Foster]

Thatcher - end of thread ..... surely

 

[nicko31]

Blair implemented the most things that benefited the country and people.

War card tends to be used against this though.

If you take the Iraq thing away a far better period than under Mrs. T. Every man for himself is a pretty toxic legacy which has left its mark

 

[Goldstone1976]

Employers kept saying that basic literacy levels were declining year after year but no one took any notice.

Yesterday, I reviewed an application from a chap with a 1st from Durham. In a 3 paragraph covering letter, he had 22 spelling/grammatical mistakes. Durham, FFS.

Aside from anything else, how dumb (arrogant?) do you have to be to not use a spell-checker?

 

[looney]

Did he ? Tell me about that.

He did it on the sly, its common knowledge. If you haven't heard of it by now your not listening.

 

[KingKev]

it was Brown's can to carry, he had ful control of economy, budgets, treasury, fiscal policy.

Not over the US mortgage market and US-driven global asset-backed derivatives markets that were the prime issue, he didn’t - not over the global accounting rules that accentuated the problems for many smaller banks. You think the impact of the global financial crisis would have been lessened had we had a Thatcherite PM and chancellor in the years preceding it? You’re having an absolute laugh!

 

[looney]

Yesterday, I reviewed an application from a chap with a 1st from Durham. In a 3 paragraph covering letter, he had 22 spelling/grammatical mistakes. Durham, FFS.

Aside from anything else, how dumb (arrogant?) do you have to be to not use a spell-checker?

Pritty Dum eye fink.