who gave this muppet a job

[bhamex1901]

I sympathise with him. Surely it is the fault of the firms for not employing disabled people rather than this MP. Now, reducing the minimum wage probably isn't the correct way to deal with the problem but there is no easy solution. Therefore although it is imperfect, forcing companies to employ the disabled would be better, at least he is trying to aid those people who through prejudice find it difficult, I think he is trying to help the disabled. Also remember this doesn't apply to all the disabled and once in work they my be able to gain wage increases.

 

[Deano's Invisible Pants]

we all human beings we dont ask to be dealt the cards we dealt so we should all be treated as equals.

I thought all business had to be disabled friendly now thought that was law, so hiring someone should not actually cost any extra.

Also i have mental health issues and am classed as disabled, i have not had them all my life, just started about 4/5 years ago, and got so bad i couldnt even get out of bed, that said im not about to start volunteer work to make sure im ready, i used to be a volunteer groundsman as Ashford United but had to leave as i had a relapse, this time im doing my work with Mind in Brighton. I didnt deserve to get ill so i dont think i should be treated any different to anyone else.

Going back to the MP's comments, I don't think he said that disabled people don't deserve to be treated fairly, just that the minimum wage legislation, makes it more difficult for some disabled people to get jobs - as it does for other people in the market for comparatively low paid jobs. He may be right or wrong about this and his suggested policy may be impractical, but his motives seem reasonable enough.

 

[upthealbion1970]

Fair play NG, plenty of non-disabled signing on who don't/won't do volunteer work. My mrs has severe multiple sclerosis and one of the highlights of her week is getting into our sons school once a week for an hour or two to read with the kids. Good luck, hope it leads to something more permanent

 

[Colossal Squid]

Minimum wage is a joke anyway. Anyone earning minimum wage qualifies for all sorts of benefits, help with their rent, council tax, living allowance, children's tax credits etc. AND YET they still have to pay tax on that poxy few quid.

It doesn't make any sense.

Crooked Tory bullshit

 

[bhaexpress]

I wonder if his pay is reduced as he's clearly 'challenged'. Another prime example of inbreeding amongst Tories.

 

[bhaexpress]

I sympathise with him. Surely it is the fault of the firms for not employing disabled people rather than this MP. Now, reducing the minimum wage probably isn't the correct way to deal with the problem but there is no easy solution. Therefore although it is imperfect, forcing companies to employ the disabled would be better, at least he is trying to aid those people who through prejudice find it difficult, I think he is trying to help the disabled. Also remember this doesn't apply to all the disabled and once in work they my be able to gain wage increases.

Companies over with over twenty employees are legally required to maintain a quota of handicapped employees.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I don't know what this bloke's general views on disabled people are so I'm not defending or attacking him, but I thought the point he was trying to make is that if you allow employers to pay less than the normal minimum to people who can only do less than the normal minimum then more of them might be employed.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Companies should be encouraged to take on staff who otherwise would claim DLA, but there must be an incentive otherwise businesses lose out.

DLA is paid irrelevant of work or not. Is is not means tested but is paid to help the disabled person in their extra needs. Incapacity benefit is the one you are attempting to comment on.

My wife is disabled and I am her carer. She could possibly work for a short period (a few hours) but due to her illness there's no telling which day, morning or afternoon. So effectively she's unemployable.

In regard to costs to business employing the disabled it may not be just the alterations to the premises or a lower productivity but also, as in my wife's case the unknowing of attendance. Having owned and run over 5 businesses and employing people with both physical and mental disabilities I know how difficult it can be and unfortunately the MP is right, in so much as to the disadvantage these people are in especially in small businesses in today's struggles.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

DLA is paid irrelevant of work or not. Is is not means tested but is paid to help the disabled person in their extra needs. Incapacity benefit is the one you are attempting to comment on.

My wife is disabled and I am her carer. She could possibly work for a short period (a few hours) but due to her illness there's no telling which day, morning or afternoon. So effectively she's unemployable.

In regard to costs to business employing the disabled it may not be just the alterations to the premises or a lower productivity but also, as in my wife's case the unknowing of attendance. Having owned and run over 5 businesses and employing people with both physical and mental disabilities I know how difficult it can be and unfortunately the MP is right, in so much as to the disadvantage these people are in especially in small businesses in today's struggles.

If businesses and employers would not readily screw employees over with rediculously low wages then there would not have been a need for the minimum wage in the first place.

The minimum wage is about paying, at the very least, every employee a rate which has some relevance to today's cost of living. In my mind, anything less is taking the piss regardless of them being disabled or not.

Pay this MP's hypothetical disabled employee the minimum wage; if there are other more able and productive employees then maybe pay them more than the minimum.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

If businesses and employers would not readily screw employees over with rediculously low wages then there would not have been a need for the minimum wage in the first place.

The minimum wage is about paying, at the very least, every employee a rate which has some relevance to today's cost of living. In my mind, anything less is taking the piss regardless of them being disabled or not.

Pay this MP's hypothetical disabled employee the minimum wage; if there are other more able and productive employees then maybe pay them more than the minimum.

This-

 

[Peterrhodes]

Don't agree with the point but he wasn't saying disabled and people with mental illness were worth less than minimum wage, they were just an unfortunate example of a group who might be given a chance in the work place if employers were not tied into minimum wage. He also mentioned former prisoners and the long term unemployed. Think it's been deliberately been taken out of context by the media! Despite this however he's a muppet for not realising that's what would happen!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Don't agree with the point but he wasn't saying disabled and people with mental illness were worth less than minimum wage, they were just an unfortunate example of a group who might be given a chance in the work place if employers were not tied into minimum wage. He also mentioned former prisoners and the long term unemployed. Think it's been deliberately been taken out of context by the media! Despite this however he's a muppet for not realising that's what would happen!

Fair enough, but thankfully we are tied to the minimum wage...for good reasons. One of which is to protect certain vulnerable groups.

 

[Gully]

Fair enough, but thankfully we are tied to the minimum wage...for good reasons. One of which is to protect certain vulnerable groups.

Spot on, and even then it doesn't stop gang-masters paying Chinese illegals a pound a day to pick cockles in Morecambe Bay!

 

[big nuts]

Fair enough, but thankfully we are tied to the minimum wage...for good reasons. One of which is to protect certain vulnerable groups.

The minimum wage was one of Tony Blair's only success stories in his tenure, along with the peace process in Northern Ireland.

 

[magoo]

MP: Disabled Should be Able To Work For Less - Yahoo! News

Man i got mad reading that ffs what a wanker

Saw it on the news and I think the point he was trying to make, although not very well, was that it would tempt employers to employ disabled people if they were paid less.

Not sure if he has a point or not to be honest. One part of me says yes he might be right, but the other says of course it shouldn't be like that in a modern society. Perhaps an idea is employing a disabled person on a lower rate for a few months on a probationary period then brought up to full salary if performing well.

 

[brightn'ove]

Has anybody else seen what this MP is trying to do? He is trying to create a debate which covers up the true dangers of this bill. This bill allows for any workers to undercut the minimum wage by 'opting out' of the minimum wage, by creating a debate over disabled wages it will detract from the fact that this bill will essentially destroy the minimum wage for all workers, bringing disabled wages into the argument means that instead of amending or scrapping the bill, opposition mps may push for an amendment which protects the wages of the disabled.

Sneaky Tory bastard. It won't work though, this bill must die, or we will see an influx of cheap foreign labour undercutting the minimum wage.

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[GoldWithFalmer]

Has anybody else seen what this MP is trying to do? He is trying to create a debate which covers up the true dangers of this bill. This bill allows for any workers to undercut the minimum wage by 'opting out' of the minimum wage, by creating a debate over disabled wages it will detract from the fact that this bill will essentially destroy the minimum wage for all workers, bringing disabled wages into the argument means that instead of amending or scrapping the bill, opposition mps may push for an amendment which protects the wages of the disabled.

Sneaky Tory bastard. It won't work though, this bill must die, or we will see an influx of cheap foreign labour undercutting the minimum wage.

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you what-i take it this will happen then

 

[brightn'ove]

you what-i take it this will happen then

If this bill passes in its current form it allows workers to 'opt out' of the minimum wage, and it also doesn't specify that employers can't actively tell potential employees that they have a better chance of getting the job if they offer themselves for a low wage.

It effectively means the minimum wage still exists, but a worker can willingly accept a lower wage, completely undermining the point.

I really doubt it would pass though, its a private bill an currently only supported by one MP, also can't see the EU taking kindly to legislation like this, the last thing this country needs is a massive fine from the EU for breaking the rules on minimum wage.

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[GoldWithFalmer]

If this bill passes in its current form it allows workers to 'opt out' of the minimum wage, and it also doesn't specify that employers can't actively tell potential employees that they have a better chance of getting the job if they offer themselves for a low wage.

It effectively means the minimum wage still exists, but a worker can willingly accept a lower wage, completely undermining the point.

I really doubt it would pass though, its a private bill an currently only supported by one MP, also can't see the EU taking kindly to legislation like this, the last thing this country needs is a massive fine from the EU for breaking the rules on minimum wage.

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Anything is open to abuse-minimum must mean minimum but as for workers undercutting they have done for a long time-where have you been

 

[brightn'ove]

Anything is open to abuse-minimum must mean minimum but as for workers undercutting they have done for a long time-where have you been

Yes, but this legalises and endorses it.