[Politics] Which action do you think has been de Pfeffel's most egregious, to date?

[vegster]

Oh indeed…. I’m not sure too many of his lackeys would now put that in his ‘credit column’… on the other hand it’s also true that ‘there’s none so blind as those who don’t want to see….’

Most definitely, why so many people cling to Johnson despite all his lies and deceit will be a thing of wonder when future historians look back on this time.

Any one of a dozen or more of his actions and lies would have been enough to see off previous Prime Ministers in disgrace.

I might come up with a Highlights Package later today of some of his worst.

 

[Guinness Boy]

 

[sparkie]

Lying to the Queen to prorogue Parliament should have meant his resignation.

Any normal person would have gone at that point.

 

[Happy Exile]

I know full well what egregious means, but what's with all this 'de Pfeffel' bollox!?

That's right out of the egregious c*nt in question's text book for starters.


I'm not answering on principle. Plus, I haven't got all night.

I may have just been whooshed but he chose to be called "Boris Johnson" to sound less elite than he really is. His full name is "Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson" - he's still called Alexander by some in his circle. Jennifer Arcuri also had him in her phone as "Alexander the Great"

Anyway, for me the action I'd choose would be during the election campaign when he refused to answer questions or release the Russia report, and all the reasons for why that's the case not least because of how much he depends on Russian money (and all the compromises that brings). It's all very publicly documented how close his ties are. The way he then pushed out those in his own party who knew the full contents of the report, like Dominic Grieve who raised the alarm about it's contents, speaks volumes. Theresa May blocked Johnson's access to state secrets when he was Foreign Secretary because she was so concerned he was a security risk: how he then becomes Prime Minister is incredible. His own sister has said she is concerned how much he's influenced by those who fund him and his lifestyle. That report has now been brushed under the carpet, but of the findings we know about it includes that the government actively avoided looking for Russian interference in our electoral processes - no wonder Grieve and so many others raised major worries about what was in it and also how it was being held back from scrutiny in a way that was unprecedented. Of course nothing has been done about this since then either.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

I should of said that I would not have said that.
My point being that he nearly did die of Covid yet he walked through a hospital of all places without a mask on in full view of the press.
It's mind boggling that a PM, in a pandemic, could even think of doing such a thing.

With that, I couldn't agree more!

 

[Dick Swiveller]

I dunno but his PR team must have done a very good job if the partying, private stuff and dumb comments are all mentioned rather than all the corruption.

The sad part is that the majority of people don't care about these things unless they directly affect them. The wallpaper, the dodgy contacts and all of that good stuff don't affect most people. And whilst there are large numbers of people saying how bored they are of hearing about parties, there are a lot of people that were unable to see elderly relatives or attend funerals. They watched the Queen sat alone at her husband's funeral. And now they hear that the people telling them to do this were ignoring the rules themselves for jollies and lying about it to cover it up in face of mounting proof. And this resonates with an awful lot more people than the politics stuff. Nothing to do with PR teams but everything to do with the public's sensibilities.

 

[Swansman]

The sad part is that the majority of people don't care about these things unless they directly affect them. The wallpaper, the dodgy contacts and all of that good stuff don't affect most people. And whilst there are large numbers of people saying how bored they are of hearing about parties, there are a lot of people that were unable to see elderly relatives or attend funerals. They watched the Queen sat alone at her husband's funeral. And now they hear that the people telling them to do this were ignoring the rules themselves for jollies and lying about it to cover it up in face of mounting proof. And this resonates with an awful lot more people than the politics stuff. Nothing to do with PR teams but everything to do with the public's sensibilities.

Yeah I know and agree it is not about PR, just did not want to go into "how the hell can you say lying about some Christmas party is more serious than corruption?" thing... but maybe we should go there. The media has a gigantic responsibility in this. People do not choose what media is going to be interested in; media decides what people are interested in. Give the same attention to corruption as they give to these lies (they aren't, for whatever reason) and I think people would care even if it doesn't directly affect them. The "dumb old Boris" thing is probably easier to cognitively deal with than "we actually have a corrupt - you know the thing they do in Russia - PM, and it is a serious problem". But if the media was doing what they should be doing, people would eventually swallow that reality. Sure Boris himself may or may not be corrupt but he is overseeing it and need to be held responsible. For every corruption affair detected there is also a number that goes undetected.

I think the recent Ibiza affair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibiza_affair) in Austria highlights how corruption is not just some issue limited to money but it also undermines democracy in more ways than that. A corrupt government could sell influence and power to foreign countries as well as your domestic oligarcy and this could affect society in a variety of ways such as not-so-nice legislation and the distribution of wealth. If more attention was given to that rather than the governments "immorality", people would revolt and Boris and the gang would likely be gone. This has happened elsewhere and I think in a lot of countries he would be gone. Difference is probably the media climate - I'm not sure if the UK media is "naturally" flawed through it's bigger-than-usual emphasis on sensationalism or if journalists are afraid of the imbalanced Official Secrets Act or if media owners are simply positive to a climate where anything including themselves can be bought for money.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

The sad part is that the majority of people don't care about these things unless they directly affect them. The wallpaper, the dodgy contacts and all of that good stuff don't affect most people. And whilst there are large numbers of people saying how bored they are of hearing about parties, there are a lot of people that were unable to see elderly relatives or attend funerals. They watched the Queen sat alone at her husband's funeral. And now they hear that the people telling them to do this were ignoring the rules themselves for jollies and lying about it to cover it up in face of mounting proof. And this resonates with an awful lot more people than the politics stuff. Nothing to do with PR teams but everything to do with the public's sensibilities.

People seem to forget and move on very quickly or are not aware in the first place as they have no interest or run their life via Facebook.
I think their should be a 30minute prime time TV programme starting with the quote from Max Hastings and showing all the lies, deceit and mistakes in order right through Brexit and Covid and ending with the Queen (who was also lied to) sitting on her own at her husbands funeral.
Just to make sure that everyone is aware of exactly what Boris Johnson is. A pound land Trump a wannabe Richard Nixon.
A horrible, nasty, vindictive and extremely weak excuse of a man.

 

[amexer]

I thought moderators had made a decision to avoid these type of posts appearing on this sight

 

[Bry Nylon]

I thought moderators had made a decision to avoid these type of posts appearing on this sight

Perhaps I have - in all good faith - misinterpreted Bozza's brief, so you will have to explain what it is that you believe falls outside of what is acceptable.

My view is that request for greater respect toward fellow posters was never intended to stifle comment on current events or criticism of, for example, the Prime Minister or others in public life.

 

[amexer]

Perhaps I have - in all good faith - misinterpreted Bozza's brief, so you will have to explain what it is that you believe falls outside of what is acceptable.

My view is that request for greater respect toward fellow posters was never intended to stifle comment on current events or criticism of, for example, the Prime Minister or others in public life.

Have not read all post as stopped reading when I saw there was a wish he died when he had Covid

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I thought moderators had made a decision to avoid these type of posts appearing on this sight

Did you click on the triangle to report it to the moderators? They can't read every single post.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Have not read all post as stopped reading when I saw there was a wish he died when he had Covid

Fair enough. I agree, that is a pretty distasteful comment. Had I seen it at the time I would have removed it. I have done so now.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I may have just been whooshed but he chose to be called "Boris Johnson" to sound less elite than he really is. His full name is "Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson" - he's still called Alexander by some in his circle. Jennifer Arcuri also had him in her phone as "Alexander the Great"

Anyway, for me the action I'd choose would be during the election campaign when he refused to answer questions or release the Russia report, and all the reasons for why that's the case not least because of how much he depends on Russian money (and all the compromises that brings). It's all very publicly documented how close his ties are. The way he then pushed out those in his own party who knew the full contents of the report, like Dominic Grieve who raised the alarm about it's contents, speaks volumes. Theresa May blocked Johnson's access to state secrets when he was Foreign Secretary because she was so concerned he was a security risk: how he then becomes Prime Minister is incredible. His own sister has said she is concerned how much he's influenced by those who fund him and his lifestyle. That report has now been brushed under the carpet, but of the findings we know about it includes that the government actively avoided looking for Russian interference in our electoral processes - no wonder Grieve and so many others raised major worries about what was in it and also how it was being held back from scrutiny in a way that was unprecedented. Of course nothing has been done about this since then either.

Theresa May should have sacked him when he gave his security the slip to spend the weekend at Lebedev's villa in Italy. He was photographed looking very dishevelled at the airport the following day.
She didn't because she wanted to hold onto her power.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I think that writing the two columns that were pro and anti brexit ready for whichever way he had to turn to further his career.

Then, after thinking long and hard, he decided to lead the Leave campaign as, even though he thought they would lose, he could then be the one to 're-unite' the party following the referendum. But the stupid ******* couldn't even get that right

I don't know that it's the most egregious, but it perfectly sums up the 6 years of total crashing, incompetent f***wittery from him and his followers since

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Stuffing his cabinet with crooked, corrupt incompetents purely because they support his Brexit misadventure.

 

[Stat Brother]

Any one of a dozen or more of his actions and lies would have been enough to see off previous Prime Ministers in disgrace.

I might come up with a Highlights Package later today of some of his worst.

That was the intention of this thread.
Obviously I couldn't come up with a poll.
I certainly can't remember them all.
(I can only usually remember 10 players from the previous Albion game).

So I figured I could get the full compendium together just by setting the parameters and seeing what's what.

A bit of a shame some have chosen a different route, but there's still a few here I'd already forgotten about.

Oh and I'd rather not call him Boris and egregious outstandingly bad; shocking, is a great work which defined exactly what I was after.

 

[lawros left foot]

I think that writing the two columns that were pro and anti brexit ready for whichever way he had to turn to further his career.

Then, after thinking long and hard, he decided to lead the Leave campaign as, even though he thought they would lose, he could then be the one to 're-unite' the party following the referendum. But the stupid ******* couldn't even get that right

I don't know that it's the most egregious, but it perfectly sums up the 6 years of total crashing, incompetent f***wittery from him and his followers since

If you watch his presser the morning after the referendum, he looks totally shell shocked. As nearly all politicians, he never expected to win the vote, and you can see the reality has hit him like a ton of bricks.

 

[Baldseagull]

Stuffing his cabinet with crooked, corrupt incompetents purely because they support his Brexit misadventure.

I suspect he also knows that placing a truly competent person in a ministerial role, could ultimately be a threat to his leadership. I think Sajid Javid is probably the best of the bunch at the moment, and if he were white would be in with a good chance of succeeding him, but with the Party having made inroads in the North by adopting an anti immigration stance, and the xenophobia of the traditional Tory voter, I suspect they will not reckon on the son of a Pakistani immigrant to be a good bet for winning the next election, and I can't see the Party selecting him for that reason.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Difficult to narrow it down. But I feel it may be the impact of our country on the world stage. I appreciate that if you voted Brexit and wanted the hardest of exits you may be perfectly happy, but to leave your biggest market without any costed plan of where to replace that market share, electing a leader who is unwilling to comprehend issues or think through consequences (other than those than effect him), and then sign international treaties and then be prepared to rip them up ............ has all diminished our standing in the world. Sad really. Especially if you drape yourself in our national flag.

Oh - I forgot about our withdrawal from Kabul, when everyone was on holiday. Just add that to the list.