[Travel] When does a boat become a ship

[Bodian]

When does a pond become a lake?

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Ponds, according to limnology (the study of water bodies) are shallow enough where plants could conceivably grow across the entire surface. This area, where plants could grow is known as the “photic zone,” meaning where the sun’s rays can reach the bottom.

A lake, by contrast, has an “aphotic zone,” meaning there is an area deep enough that sunlight can’t reach the bottom.

As a result, there are some very small bodies of water, less than an acre that are deep enough to be called lakes. Conversely, there are some very large, but shallow water bodies, particularly in the south that are technically ponds, (though they’re called lakes) because their “photic zone” expands the entire length and width.

So, at least with lakes and ponds, size doesn’t really matter.

Now, what if a lake became infested with zebra mussels, which cleared the water to the point where lake weeds could grow in depths where they couldn’t before? The jury’s out, but I’d say if it was once a lake, it should continue to be an “honorary” lake."

What’s the Difference Between a Lake and a Pond?

LakeMat is a lake weed mat system that effectively controls lake weeds by depriving them of sunlight.

lakemat.com

 

[smudge]

Whats a liner then?

Think QE2 or SS France (later Norway). Built for speed, mostly for transatlantic crossings.

 

[WATFORD zero]

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Ponds, according to limnology (the study of water bodies) are shallow enough where plants could conceivably grow across the entire surface. This area, where plants could grow is known as the “photic zone,” meaning where the sun’s rays can reach the bottom.

A lake, by contrast, has an “aphotic zone,” meaning there is an area deep enough that sunlight can’t reach the bottom.

As a result, there are some very small bodies of water, less than an acre that are deep enough to be called lakes. Conversely, there are some very large, but shallow water bodies, particularly in the south that are technically ponds, (though they’re called lakes) because their “photic zone” expands the entire length and width.

So, at least with lakes and ponds, size doesn’t really matter.

Now, what if a lake became infested with zebra mussels, which cleared the water to the point where lake weeds could grow in depths where they couldn’t before? The jury’s out, but I’d say if it was once a lake, it should continue to be an “honorary” lake."

What’s the Difference Between a Lake and a Pond?

LakeMat is a lake weed mat system that effectively controls lake weeds by depriving them of sunlight.

lakemat.com

And those are exactly the sort of FACTS that we are missing in the boat/ship thing

 

[Chicken Run]

Think QE2 or SS France (later Norway). Built for speed, mostly for transatlantic crossings.

I’m lead to believe Liners were ships that transported passengers on scheduled services like trains and plans between two ports out and back so to speak

 

[Chicken Run]

We have the enormous wealth of knowledge from the various plumbing, gardening, building, birdwatching, electrical, Mortgage broking, accounting, banking, computing etc cliques on NSC, but despite having a number of ex (and current) matelots here we still can't find out what the difference between a boat and a ship is

Boat

Ship

 

[WATFORD zero]

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Boat

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[Dave the OAP]

When it is a very expensive…

P and O cruise liners are boats as they are butlins on sea, and Azamara ( British ships) are ships as they have no pubs or fish and chip shops on board

seriously though after 31 cruises, we are actively looking at European cruise lines as we had an experience over Christmas where even though we made some lovely friends, a lot of the people we were on the Oceania Vista cruise ship were bloody MAGA fans of the orange-Utan, and were not backward in telling us, we thendid a Marella( TUI) cruise around the canaries in February which was really lovely ( albeit very northern Brit! ).

so this summer we will be looking at ships without entitled American wankers

 

[Pliny the Gull]

What are some other “rules”? If the function of a vessel is carried out ON deck, then it is a boat. If it happens INSIDE or below deck, then it is a ship

 

[WATFORD zero]

What are some other “rules”? If the function of a vessel is carried out ON deck, then it is a boat. If it happens INSIDE or below deck, then it is a ship

I like that It sounds like some proper rules.

 

[Pevenseagull]

I'm I too late to post a pic of a ship shipping ship shipping shipping ships?

They are not gonna need a bigger boat

 

[Chicken Run]

As I suggested earlier, a ship will lean to port when turning to starboard, a boat will lean to port when turning to port and vice versa

 

[Chicken Run]

What are some other “rules”? If the function of a vessel is carried out ON deck, then it is a boat. If it happens INSIDE or below deck, then it is a ship

An Aircraft Carrier function is to launch and recover aircraft and the last time i checked they certainly didn’t land them INSIDE or below deck but ON the deck, so does that make a Gerald Ford Class AC Carrier a Boat then

 

[Chicken Run]

They are not gonna need a bigger boat

Boats don’t carry ships though

 

[Gabbafella]

"
Ponds, according to limnology (the study of water bodies) are shallow enough where plants could conceivably grow across the entire surface. This area, where plants could grow is known as the “photic zone,” meaning where the sun’s rays can reach the bottom.

A lake, by contrast, has an “aphotic zone,” meaning there is an area deep enough that sunlight can’t reach the bottom.

As a result, there are some very small bodies of water, less than an acre that are deep enough to be called lakes. Conversely, there are some very large, but shallow water bodies, particularly in the south that are technically ponds, (though they’re called lakes) because their “photic zone” expands the entire length and width.

So, at least with lakes and ponds, size doesn’t really matter.

Now, what if a lake became infested with zebra mussels, which cleared the water to the point where lake weeds could grow in depths where they couldn’t before? The jury’s out, but I’d say if it was once a lake, it should continue to be an “honorary” lake."

What’s the Difference Between a Lake and a Pond?

LakeMat is a lake weed mat system that effectively controls lake weeds by depriving them of sunlight.

lakemat.com

I feel educated and bored in equal measure.

 

[Pliny the Gull]

An Aircraft Carrier function is to launch and recover aircraft and the last time i checked they certainly didn’t land them INSIDE or below deck but ON the deck, so does that make a Gerald Ford Class AC Carrier a Boat then

That is a good point. I was trying to find examples to confirm this quote from a maritime historical site.
A Tudor vessel ((Mary Rose ?) All the action was below deck. Ship.?
A modern equivalent might be (Gunboat)? Above deck?
Aircraft Carrier houses planes below deck ?
Launches above?
Will phone JOEL at services tomorrow for clarification

 

[Chicken Run]

Aircraft Carrier houses planes below deck ?
Launches above?

They have a large hanger below where repairs are carried out and can be stored a number of planes but most are tied down on the flight deck

 

[alanfp]

When it is a very expensive…

P and O cruise liners are boats as they are butlins on sea, and Azamara ( British ships) are ships as they have no pubs or fish and chip shops on board

seriously though after 31 cruises, we are actively looking at European cruise lines as we had an experience over Christmas where even though we made some lovely friends, a lot of the people we were on the Oceania Vista cruise ship were bloody MAGA fans of the orange-Utan, and were not backward in telling us, we thendid a Marella( TUI) cruise around the canaries in February which was really lovely ( albeit very northern Brit! ).

so this summer we will be looking at ships without entitled American wankers

In that case I suggest you book yourselves on a cruise that's full of Russians. I hear that they are (generalisation - not all) a real delight to be around when they're on holiday.

 

[Nottseagull]

We have the enormous wealth of knowledge from the various plumbing, gardening, building, birdwatching, electrical, Mortgage broking, accounting, banking, computing etc cliques on NSC, but despite having a number of ex (and current) matelots here we still can't find out what the difference between a boat and a ship is

If it's built in a boatyard it's a boat.
If it's built in a shipyard it's a ship.

There - you now have the definitive answer.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

That is a good point. I was trying to find examples to confirm this quote from a maritime historical site.
A Tudor vessel ((Mary Rose ?) All the action was below deck. Ship.?
A modern equivalent might be (Gunboat)? Above deck?
Aircraft Carrier houses planes below deck ?
Launches above?
Will phone JOEL at services tomorrow for clarification

That makes no sense.
As @Chicken Run has pointed out. aircraft Carriers are, as the name suggests, carriers of aircraft. I can’t speak for the QE and DoE but on the Hermes and invincible class there wasn’t always enough room to house all the aircraft in the hangar, so would be parked on the flight deck. Secondly you can’t launch aircraft’s from the hanger ( you could try but it would be a bit messy) which Is why it has a lovely flat top, which is ideal for launching aircraft’s and sun bathing.
Mary Rose had high quarter deck and forcastle from where archers and musketeers could make merry. So by the logic of above it would be both a ship and a boat.

The correct answer is that it’s a ship ( Hermes etc) however when the general service naval types are about it’s a boat as it really pisses them off.

 

[BrightonCottager]

In that case I suggest you book yourselves on a cruise that's full of Russians. I hear that they are (generalisation - not all) a real delight to be around when they're on holiday.

Is it possible to find out the nationality and region of cruise passengers before one books one passage? Asking for a friend.