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[Travel] When does a boat become a ship



Bodian

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May 3, 2012
15,892
Cumbria
When does a pond become a lake?
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Ponds, according to limnology (the study of water bodies) are shallow enough where plants could conceivably grow across the entire surface. This area, where plants could grow is known as the “photic zone,” meaning where the sun’s rays can reach the bottom.

A lake, by contrast, has an “aphotic zone,” meaning there is an area deep enough that sunlight can’t reach the bottom.

As a result, there are some very small bodies of water, less than an acre that are deep enough to be called lakes. Conversely, there are some very large, but shallow water bodies, particularly in the south that are technically ponds, (though they’re called lakes) because their “photic zone” expands the entire length and width.

So, at least with lakes and ponds, size doesn’t really matter.

Now, what if a lake became infested with zebra mussels, which cleared the water to the point where lake weeds could grow in depths where they couldn’t before? The jury’s out, but I’d say if it was once a lake, it should continue to be an “honorary” lake."

 






WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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Ponds, according to limnology (the study of water bodies) are shallow enough where plants could conceivably grow across the entire surface. This area, where plants could grow is known as the “photic zone,” meaning where the sun’s rays can reach the bottom.

A lake, by contrast, has an “aphotic zone,” meaning there is an area deep enough that sunlight can’t reach the bottom.

As a result, there are some very small bodies of water, less than an acre that are deep enough to be called lakes. Conversely, there are some very large, but shallow water bodies, particularly in the south that are technically ponds, (though they’re called lakes) because their “photic zone” expands the entire length and width.

So, at least with lakes and ponds, size doesn’t really matter.

Now, what if a lake became infested with zebra mussels, which cleared the water to the point where lake weeds could grow in depths where they couldn’t before? The jury’s out, but I’d say if it was once a lake, it should continue to be an “honorary” lake."


And those are exactly the sort of FACTS that we are missing in the boat/ship thing :thumbsup:
 




Chicken Run

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Jul 17, 2003
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Valley of Hangleton
We have the enormous wealth of knowledge from the various plumbing, gardening, building, birdwatching, electrical, Mortgage broking, accounting, banking, computing etc cliques on NSC, but despite having a number of ex (and current) matelots here we still can't find out what the difference between a boat and a ship is :rolleyes:
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Boat

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Dave the OAP

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Jul 5, 2003
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at home
When it is a very expensive…

P and O cruise liners are boats as they are butlins on sea, and Azamara ( British ships) are ships as they have no pubs or fish and chip shops on board

seriously though after 31 cruises, we are actively looking at European cruise lines as we had an experience over Christmas where even though we made some lovely friends, a lot of the people we were on the Oceania Vista cruise ship were bloody MAGA fans of the orange-Utan, and were not backward in telling us, we thendid a Marella( TUI) cruise around the canaries in February which was really lovely ( albeit very northern Brit! ).

so this summer we will be looking at ships without entitled American wankers
 


Pliny the Gull

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Mar 4, 2024
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What are some other “rules”? If the function of a vessel is carried out ON deck, then it is a boat. If it happens INSIDE or below deck, then it is a ship
 












Chicken Run

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Jul 17, 2003
20,492
Valley of Hangleton
What are some other “rules”? If the function of a vessel is carried out ON deck, then it is a boat. If it happens INSIDE or below deck, then it is a ship
An Aircraft Carrier function is to launch and recover aircraft and the last time i checked they certainly didn’t land them INSIDE or below deck but ON the deck, so does that make a Gerald Ford Class AC Carrier a Boat then 😉😉
 




Gabbafella

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Aug 22, 2012
5,031
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Ponds, according to limnology (the study of water bodies) are shallow enough where plants could conceivably grow across the entire surface. This area, where plants could grow is known as the “photic zone,” meaning where the sun’s rays can reach the bottom.

A lake, by contrast, has an “aphotic zone,” meaning there is an area deep enough that sunlight can’t reach the bottom.

As a result, there are some very small bodies of water, less than an acre that are deep enough to be called lakes. Conversely, there are some very large, but shallow water bodies, particularly in the south that are technically ponds, (though they’re called lakes) because their “photic zone” expands the entire length and width.

So, at least with lakes and ponds, size doesn’t really matter.

Now, what if a lake became infested with zebra mussels, which cleared the water to the point where lake weeds could grow in depths where they couldn’t before? The jury’s out, but I’d say if it was once a lake, it should continue to be an “honorary” lake."

I feel educated and bored in equal measure.
 




Pliny the Gull

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Mar 4, 2024
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An Aircraft Carrier function is to launch and recover aircraft and the last time i checked they certainly didn’t land them INSIDE or below deck but ON the deck, so does that make a Gerald Ford Class AC Carrier a Boat then 😉😉
That is a good point. I was trying to find examples to confirm this quote from a maritime historical site.
A Tudor vessel ((Mary Rose ?) All the action was below deck. Ship.?
A modern equivalent might be (Gunboat)? Above deck?
Aircraft Carrier houses planes below deck ?
Launches above?
Will phone JOEL at services tomorrow for clarification :ROFLMAO:
 




alanfp

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Feb 23, 2024
253
When it is a very expensive…

P and O cruise liners are boats as they are butlins on sea, and Azamara ( British ships) are ships as they have no pubs or fish and chip shops on board

seriously though after 31 cruises, we are actively looking at European cruise lines as we had an experience over Christmas where even though we made some lovely friends, a lot of the people we were on the Oceania Vista cruise ship were bloody MAGA fans of the orange-Utan, and were not backward in telling us, we thendid a Marella( TUI) cruise around the canaries in February which was really lovely ( albeit very northern Brit! ).

so this summer we will be looking at ships without entitled American wankers
In that case I suggest you book yourselves on a cruise that's full of Russians. I hear that they are (generalisation - not all) a real delight to be around when they're on holiday.
 


Nottseagull

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Nov 28, 2006
8,548
Mansfield Woodhouse, actually.
We have the enormous wealth of knowledge from the various plumbing, gardening, building, birdwatching, electrical, Mortgage broking, accounting, banking, computing etc cliques on NSC, but despite having a number of ex (and current) matelots here we still can't find out what the difference between a boat and a ship is :rolleyes:
If it's built in a boatyard it's a boat.
If it's built in a shipyard it's a ship.

There - you now have the definitive answer.
 




Deportivo Seagull

I should coco
Jul 22, 2003
5,834
Mid Sussex
That is a good point. I was trying to find examples to confirm this quote from a maritime historical site.
A Tudor vessel ((Mary Rose ?) All the action was below deck. Ship.?
A modern equivalent might be (Gunboat)? Above deck?
Aircraft Carrier houses planes below deck ?
Launches above?
Will phone JOEL at services tomorrow for clarification :ROFLMAO:
That makes no sense.
As @Chicken Run has pointed out. aircraft Carriers are, as the name suggests, carriers of aircraft. I can’t speak for the QE and DoE but on the Hermes and invincible class there wasn’t always enough room to house all the aircraft in the hangar, so would be parked on the flight deck. Secondly you can’t launch aircraft’s from the hanger ( you could try but it would be a bit messy) which Is why it has a lovely flat top, which is ideal for launching aircraft’s and sun bathing.
Mary Rose had high quarter deck and forcastle from where archers and musketeers could make merry. So by the logic of above it would be both a ship and a boat.

The correct answer is that it’s a ship ( Hermes etc) however when the general service naval types are about it’s a boat as it really pisses them off.
 


BrightonCottager

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Sep 30, 2013
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Brighton
In that case I suggest you book yourselves on a cruise that's full of Russians. I hear that they are (generalisation - not all) a real delight to be around when they're on holiday.
Is it possible to find out the nationality and region of cruise passengers before one books one passage? Asking for a friend.
 


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