Whats really happening in Lebanon

[somerset]

We do actually, lots of Europeans that terrorised tens of thousands of Palestinians out of their homeland in the late 1940s and have been steadily expanding their territorial ambitions ever since into neighbouring Arab lands.

Conveniently forgetting to mention that these Europeans were generally survivors of, or surviving relatives of the holocaust, and that this nation was created by the UN in 1948, despite 20 years of Britain trying to stop Jewish immigration from the many european states where they had been systematicaly brutalised in one way or another since the Romans held sway over the region. in fact the population of this reqion was approx 20% jewish, even that far back.

The jews and arabs have historically co-existed here since records began, the first real persecution of the jews was during the crusades when they were virtually wiped out by the Western powers of the day.

Therefore you must come to the conclusion that this land is the cultural and religious 'home' of both Islam and judaism ( not to mention Christianity).

 

[looney]

Conveiniantly forgetting the Arabs stole all the land when they stormed out of arabia when mohammed died.

Thnks for the trite history lesson LI, doesn't really offer any solution does it?

 

[looney]

Claimed Iraq was a success. I guess you didn't but you intimated that it would be a success. I am not sure how you are coming to that conclusion, Looney. I guess you have used the same logic applied in all your other posts.....

You really need to read that a few times then apply some basic logic.

 

[NMH]

Although I sympathise with the main thrust of your post, Churchill refused to bomb the train lines to the death camps or the camps themselves. While there was a plot to murder Ernest Bevin no attacks were carried out in London to the best of my knowledge.

The "Orange Grove" killings were British Army sergeants murdered in retaliation for the execution of Jewish prisioners.

Those prisoners must have deserved all they got, whereas our boys bivouacing among a treacherous bunch of extremist sand-cockroaches didn't.

I also doubt that all the things that went on in concentration camps were all that common knowledge from abroad - since the Germans claim they didn't know either, and do you suggest we should really have been bombing the camps? Not exactly a priority, with all due respect, and a bit easy for propaganda machinery to promote the concept that we wanted to kill as many poor jewish prisoners ias possible - nstead of bombing tank factories and breaking dams and supply railways for the German war effort.

We successfully sank the French Navy though, killing many of their lads to make sure the ships wouldn't get used against us later. De Gaulle was apparently a strange bedfellow in Churchill's war-room, as we destroyed his best roads and bridges to his chagrin. We needed him to point them out, so we could blow them apart. I bet Winnie had to rub it in about the 'imaginaut line' shortcomings as he worked Charlie for vital info. and planned to bomb French landmarks into history.

 

[Dandyman]

Those prisoners must have deserved all they got, whereas our boys bivouacing among a treacherous bunch of extremist sand-cockroaches didn't.

I also doubt that all the things that went on in concentration camps were all that common knowledge from abroad - since the Germans claim they didn't know either, and do you suggest we should really have been bombing the camps? Not exactly a priority, with all due respect, and a bit easy for propaganda machinery to promote the concept that we wanted to kill as many poor jewish prisoners ias possible - nstead of bombing tank factories and breaking dams and supply railways for the German war effort.

We successfully sank the French Navy though, killing many of their lads to make sure the ships wouldn't get used against us later. De Gaulle was apparently a strange bedfellow in Churchill's war-room, as we destroyed his best roads and bridges to his chagrin. We needed him to point them out, so we could blow them apart. I bet Winnie had to rub it in about the 'imaginaut line' shortcomings as he worked Charlie for vital info. and planned to bomb French landmarks into history.

http://www.deathcamps.org/reinhard/allies.html

As for treachery, hard to see what treason was being committed given that the British presence in Palestine was due to the mandate given at the end of WW1, rather than any claim over the land.

As an aside (and it is not intended as any justification for Zionist actions) the first Arab attacks on Jews in Palestine in the modern era took place in the 1920's - a couple of decades before Israel ever existed.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

The Israelis have deployed MLRS (Multiple Launch Rocket Systems) to the border now, which removes any pretence of targetting. The MLRS is commonly known as a "grid square removal tool" - in that it is unaimable and decimates large areas in roughly the area you point it.

The Israelis also seem to have accidently hit a UN post, killing 4. You would have thought that having the post there for 30 years would have given them a chance to plot it on a map! Then again, sweet revenge for the UN refusing to prevent the kidnapping of the Israeli soldiers, I suppose.

The Iranians are beginning more full frontal posturing now, calling on other Arab leaders to step in and help Lebanon. Now all we can do is wonder how far it will escalate. Bucket of sunshine, anyone?

 

[NMH]

http://www.deathcamps.org/reinhard/allies.html

As for treachery, hard to see what treason was being committed given that the British presence in Palestine was due to the mandate given at the end of WW1, rather than any claim over the land.

As an aside (and it is not intended as any justification for Zionist actions) the first Arab attacks on Jews in Palestine in the modern era took place in the 1920's - a couple of decades before Israel ever existed.

I have stopped believing everything I read that favours Israel, since the propaganda has become irrational and sickening and only enforces the arrogant excuses they need to 'make it alright' to murder innocent civilians.
They only strafed that UN outpost about 7 times, by accident - but their apology is accepted nicely and everything is nicey nice and so that's alright then.

If I am wrong in any of the things I say against them, then at least it is only a drop in the bucket compared to the propaganda and lies we are bombarded with in their favour.

Still, treachery is what is was when Begin murdered British soldiers and officers - I don't see how that fact can be excused or denied. We fought the Germans, freed them, and his lot went around killing our men.

Another thing, why does anyone expect us to focus on bombing concentration camps? To free a few who might survive enough to run away, only to get killed or caught and gassed anyway? We needed to focus on a war effort, not a hopelessly stupid waste of time, weapons and our own men. The war was fought to free everyone, including pows and occupied nations - not just a crowd of Germans who happened to be of a certain religion - who secularised themselves within a poor oppressed Germany, as a supposed chosen people. That ideal is just one more crazy belief among several nutty religious ideas that exist among the human race. It holds no truth, and wins few friends among those who are 'unchosen', no more than grovelling and bowing to Mecca is going to impress any invisible superman.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go and slay a virgin hamster and hold it up to the direction of the South pole at exactly 11.41 and 26 seconds while reciting 'awopbopaloobopalopbamboom' to the tutti-frutti darklord. It's an obscure one I realise, but we are going to take back Lichtenstein soon where the tutti-frutti darklord people once lived 27million light years back. If anyone bullies us tutti frutties, I want the full forces of the free world to bear down on them on our behalf, so we can overtake Lichtenstein our rightful holy place.

 

[Dandyman]

I have stopped believing everything I read that favours Israel, since the propaganda has become irrational and sickening and only enforces the arrogant excuses they need to 'make it alright' to murder innocent civilians.
They only strafed that UN outpost about 7 times, by accident - but their apology is accepted nicely and everything is nicey nice and so that's alright then.

If I am wrong in any of the things I say against them, then at least it is only a drop in the bucket compared to the propaganda and lies we are bombarded with in their favour.

Still, treachery is what is was when Begin murdered British soldiers and officers - I don't see how that fact can be excused or denied. We fought the Germans, freed them, and his lot went around killing our men.

Another thing, why does anyone expect us to focus on bombing concentration camps? To free a few who might survive enough to run away, only to get killed or caught and gassed anyway? We needed to focus on a war effort, not a hopelessly stupid waste of time, weapons and our own men. The war was fought to free everyone, including pows and occupied nations - not just a crowd of Germans who happened to be of a certain religion - who secularised themselves within a poor oppressed Germany, as a supposed chosen people. That ideal is just one more crazy belief among several nutty religious ideas that exist among the human race. It holds no truth, and wins few friends among those who are 'unchosen', no more than grovelling and bowing to Mecca is going to impress any invisible superman.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go and slay a virgin hamster and hold it up to the direction of the South pole at exactly 11.41 and 26 seconds while reciting 'awopbopaloobopalopbamboom' to the tutti-frutti darklord. It's an obscure one I realise, but we are going to take back Lichtenstein soon where the tutti-frutti darklord people once lived 27million light years back. If anyone bullies us tutti frutties, I want the full forces of the free world to bear down on them on our behalf, so we can overtake Lichtenstein our rightful holy place. [/B

As I think my first post indicated I am actually in agreement with the main thrust of your post but I think your 3rd and 4th paragraphs are contradictory. "Secularised as a chosen people" is also contradictory and frankly meaningless. A secular community, which is what most pre-war German Jews were, is one in which religion does not determine one's beliefs or actions. European Jews were exterminated because of the racist fantasies of the Nazis not because of a belief in a chosen people, which is common to most religions and certainly to German Lutherans and Calvinists.