What is it with the tories

[BLOCK F]

Cameron is not thick, far from it, he may not be your cup of tea but clearly he is not thick, as for inbred, wtf. Once people resort to posting this sort of stuff their argument and respect is gone.

US,why didn't you put Gull-able's post in quotes instead of mine....wouldn't that be more logical?It almost looks as if you were having a pop at me and not him!!

 

[gull-able]

Seeing some of your posts I think that is pretty unlikely

It is an absolute certainty

 

[Hotchilidog]

Has anyone else noticed how it is the labour supporters who are most vocal and viciferous about how they should be the rightful new government (even though they didnt get as many votes as the Tories). Whereas the Tory supporters are tending to be somewhat more gracious about it, and allowing the process to be carried out by the MPs and relevent authorities.

What's the matter Labour Boy, scared you are going onto the scrapheap any day now?

Judging by the screeching going in the tabloids and Sky News, not too mention the Beebs Nick Robinson I'd hardly say this is true at all. In fact looking at the first few labour figures interviewed last night, messrs, Reid, Blunkett and Abbott even they don't want to govern at the moment.

The tories are largest minority party in parliament if they want to govern they have to cut a deal. Truth be told the reason they did not get a majority is not because of a lib-dem surge but the labour vote holding up in key marginals, keeping the likes of Ed Balls and Gisela Stuart in power just to keep the tories out.

The tory media response to this election has been a pitiful display of petulant immaturity that does it's side no favours whatsoever.

I'm glad Brown has finally resigned, he was finished and had to go. If he had gone a year ago, I think the election result would have been a lot different.

 

[gull-able]

PR might work with the conservatives, can always form a coalition with ukip and the bnp

Not

so much rainbow alliance more like the swastika alliance

 

[Simster]

The tory media response to this election has been a pitiful display of petulant immaturity that does it's side no favours whatsoever.

This is absolutely spot on. The Sun calling Brown a "squatter" is case in point, like he had any other choice.

 

[Joe Gatting's Dad]

All these people calling for PR clearly do not understand what would have happened.

You will no longer have your own constituency MP.

In the last election, BNP would have gained 30 seats.

Do you really want this?

 

[Stoo82]

This is absolutely spot on. The Sun calling Brown a "squatter" is case in point, like he had any other choice.

So what is he then?

An decent fellow who just wants whats best for the country? Or a man who know he has lost the elction but will keep Labour in power/keep the Tories out at all costs.

Gordon, you lost the elction, now f*** off.

 

[Everlast]

You acuse me of having no intelligence, yet your posts have got more holes in them than a piece of edam. A couple of points;

We will all be represented at Westminster; that is why we vote for a local MP, not for a Prime Minister.
No coalition can claim a mandate from the people, because the people did not vote for a coalition party, they voted for individual parties. I think you are confusing the word 'mandate' with 'majority'.

Absolutely spot on.

People are forgetting that even with a Lab/Lib Dem coalition (plus support from other fringe parties) they'd still only have a small majority. Something like 329 seats to the 306 won by the Tories. Hardly a mandate to govern the country.

The coalition government in 1974 did not work. Just like it will not work now. In 6 to 12 months time we will all be going to the Polls again.

 

[gull-able]

All these people calling for PR clearly do not understand what would have happened.

You will no longer have your own constituency MP.

In the last election, BNP would have gained 30 seats.

Do you really want this?

Thats not actually the model Of PR being mooted it would work on first second and third preference voting for consituency voting, and then the possibility of a certain amount of centrally elected seats, but anyhow if 2 % of the electrate want the BNP shouldnt they be represented, its better to have open democratic governement. Being in parliment would probably expose the weaknesses of the proiferal parties.

 

[Simster]

So what is he then?

An decent fellow who just wants whats best for the country? Or a man who know he has lost the elction but will keep Labour in power/keep the Tories out at all costs.

Gordon, you lost the elction, now f*** off.

But that isn't the important question; which is "what do you expect him to do while the elected MPs choose a prime minister?"

We can't have NOBODY as PM in the interim, and it's not as if the opposition are arguing about it. It's just a crappy petulant rant from the Tory press who expect Clegg to roll over and let their Tory man run the country as if he had a majority - with immediate effect.

 

[Joe Gatting's Dad]

Thats not actually the model Of PR being mooted it would work on first second and third preference voting for consituency voting, and then the possibility of a certain amount of centrally elected seats, but anyhow if 2 % of the electrate want the BNP shouldnt they be represented, its better to have open democratic governement. Being in parliment would probably expose the weaknesses of the proiferal parties.

This morning labour are indicating that AV will be introduced without consulting the electorate followed by a referendum on PR.

 

[Simster]

All these people calling for PR clearly do not understand what would have happened.

You will no longer have your own constituency MP.

In the last election, BNP would have gained 30 seats.

Do you really want this?

Yes. I'd quite like UKIP, the Greens, the English nationalists etc all represented too. That would be far more democratic than the current two party stitch up, where only one third of constituencies are ever relevant and if you hold a minority view in 2 thirds of the nation, your opinion counts for jack shit.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

How do the figures add up as far as number of seats go?

Con 306 + 1 = 307 (At the last Election Thirsk had a Tory MP with over 50% of the Vote)

Plus DUP 8 = 315

Labour + Lib Dem = 315

So assuming the DUP support the Tories in a Vote (not a given by any means I know) then Lib/Lab will be relying on the SDLP to keep them in Power. (Labour have already said they would not have the Scottish Nationlists in as part of a deal)

So as a bargaining tool, the SDLP insist that there be no spending cuts in NI then - and IF the Lib/Lab Coalition go for the Cuts in Scotland/Wales instead, then in theroy the Nationalists could vote against them and bring down the Coalition.

There is NO way this 'Rainbow Alliance' can be considered as 'stable'

 

[Marshy]

This is absolutely spot on. The Sun calling Brown a "squatter" is case in point, like he had any other choice.

Wasnt it Clegg who called Brown a squatter..

 

[Gwylan]

Thats not actually the model Of PR being mooted it would work on first second and third preference voting for consituency voting, and then the possibility of a certain amount of centrally elected seats, but anyhow if 2 % of the electrate want the BNP shouldnt they be represented, its better to have open democratic governement. Being in parliment would probably expose the weaknesses of the proiferal parties.

And you could have a threshold of 5 percent too, so you wouldn't get any MPs unless you reached that 5 percent. That's the system they implemented in Germany to keep the neo-Nazis out.

 

[DIFFBROOK]

If ever there was an election to lose, it was this one. I really do believe that the Lib Dems are playing with Fire.

Whichever way they go, they know it will lead to recriminations within their own party. Also, with such real deficit problems to solve that Govt will have to make some really unpopular decisions. Would the Lib Dems really stay in bed, with say the Tories after deep cuts in public services are being made? I doubt it.

So another election would be called as the Govt lost confidence…..Spring next year? At the same time, a Labour party with a new leader might just be an attractive alternative.

Is it really worth the Tories taking power now, only for them to lose another election in 9 months?

Surely best to let the Lab/Lib pact in now and watch that fall apart under the same pressures. Then the Tories could win with a majority next year.

 

[gull-able]

Yes. I'd quite like UKIP, the Greens, the English nationalists etc all represented too. That would be far more democratic than the current two party stitch up, where only one third of constituencies are ever relevant and if you hold a minority view in 2 thirds of the nation, your opinion counts for jack shit.

spot on

It is so simple it hurts, so why dont the tories want it. Cameron goes on about this great country and how important our democracy is, well that dave have the referendum what have you got to lose, other than the chance to run the country again with less than half the popular support

 

[Danny-Boy]

Just read that sentence back to yourself, and try again.

People in this country did not vote for the LibLab party, they voted for either the Labour party or the Lib Dems. To say that LibLab have a clear mandate to govern is patently nonsense. It's no more valid than saying that the ToryDems have a mandate to govern, or for that matter the LabTories. No-one has been given a clear mandate to govern, which is why we are in the hole we are.

I agree to a degree with those saying that the best place for the Tories is probably in opposition. They would have a fantastic time watching the infighting amongst any LibLab government and sniping at them, and would probably then walk into government with a massive majority whenever the next election is. The only danger is that a LibLab government does not cut fast or deep enough, and then the country really is in the shit.

Well said, just what I was thinking.

The Tories would LOVE to see a "rainbow coalition" with the whole governing process dependent on Welsh/Scots nats, who would demand a high price for their support.

Look at the electoral map of constituencies - a Lib/Con coalition would mean practically every area of the UK had someone in the government. A Lib/Lab/Nat coalition would however have virtually no support whatsoever in a whole swathe of Southern England.

If the LDs get into a FORMAL coalition with the Tories - not just an arrangement - then the Tories would have to break it to call the next election which they would want way before the 4-5 year period is up, I would guess 2 at a stretch. It would make the Tories the anti national spirit Party.

Having said that a coalition with the Tories will split the LDs in the South, but then a LibLab pact would split them in the north. It will be intersting to see how it fans down to local level, particularly on Lewes DC elections in 2011.

 

[Danny-Boy]

How do the figures add up as far as number of seats go?

Con 306 + 1 = 307 (At the last Election Thirsk had a Tory MP with over 50% of the Vote)

Plus DUP 8 = 315

Labour + Lib Dem = 315

So assuming the DUP support the Tories in a Vote (not a given by any means I know) then Lib/Lab will be relying on the SDLP to keep them in Power. (Labour have already said they would not have the Scottish Nationlists in as part of a deal)

So as a bargaining tool, the SDLP insist that there be no spending cuts in NI then - and IF the Lib/Lab Coalition go for the Cuts in Scotland/Wales instead, then in theroy the Nationalists could vote against them and bring down the Coalition.

There is NO way this 'Rainbow Alliance' can be considered as 'stable'

Agreed.

 

[gull-able]

Agreed.

seconded

What we need is a lib/lab coaltion which goes to the queen with one equest a referendum on PR, then a second election where we all get the parlimentary representation we voted for