[Albion] What has happened to Potter ball ???

[Barnet Seagull]

First half, Watford worked very hard in a medium block trying to force transitions and counter.

Our passing wasnt sharp enough to play through the press and it was incredibly frustrating to watch us get caught in possession and concede chances.

Potter adjusted. He seemed to pull March inside more to create more passing lanes through the middle. This meant we retained the ball better, the fullbacks could get foward more which forced Watford back.

2nd half Watford seemed to sit even deeper in a Hughton-esque low block. It was very difficult to play through and the only space behind was out wide which only Ali J seemed to exploit.

To overcome a low block you either have to force transition when the opposition move forward or have players capable of beating men and creating space for shots. None of ours were at it yesterday.





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[Albion my Albion]

What international break? The one in November ?

Noted. It appears I was the only one who took an international break.

 

[blue-shifted]

We lack the width and quality of delivery to pick apart teams who defend very deep.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

People are blaming Duffy for the goal yesterday for not making a tackle but the real problem was Mooy losing the ball in midfield and as has been said his confidence must be rock bottom at the moment.

Spot on, BG.

Mind you we were lucky to have got the ball out to Mooy in the first place - seat of pants stuff...

 

[Weststander]

I realise we're all hurting at the moment, but I found this genuine report on Sat game, on how we may be percieved.

"The hosts make a better start, pushing us onto the back foot. (It’ll become clear that we would’ve been on the back foot anyway, but let’s not spoil the moment.) Will Hughes blocks Burn’s bouncing half-volley, Murray meets a cross but is sufficiently impeded by Kabasele. There are a couple of corners. It’s a flurry rather than a storm, and it’s over in five minutes or so. We deal with it well, calm and diligent in defence, snappy in midfield. The game settles into a pattern from which it’ll never escape, of Brighton having great acres of possession and not really knowing how to harvest it, of Watford suffocating it all by sitting deep and gradually pushing each attack backwards, guiding a toddler out of a toy shop.

It has the dramatic intensity of someone prodding a damp sponge with an old toothbrush.

Thing is, you can see where Graham Potter’s trying to get to. Brighton are comfortable on the ball, and they have a few bright, lightweight players who’d frustrate a pragmatist like Hughton but would excite a coach interested in cultivating something more high-brow. What they don’t have is any kind of cutting edge. There’s the potential for goals from Murray, obviously, but he sits atop all of this like a cat on a Christmas tree; the rest of the team isn’t set up either to supply or support him. We happily force Brighton into wide areas and even when we can’t disrupt their crosses, nobody’s remotely interested in joining Uncle Glenn in the penalty area. It all goes very flat very quickly.

They’re a nice side. Polite, tidy, please, thank you. But you have to think that they’re a sitting duck if anyone in the bottom three ever manages to get their shit together"

https://bhappy.wordpress.com/2020/02/09/brighton-and-hove-albion-1-watford-1-08-02-2020/

That’s a brilliant synopsis .... of the first 60 minutes yesterday.

Many of those comments have been made on NSC in the last 24 hours, eg

“nobody’s remotely interested in joining Uncle Glenn in the penalty area”.

“you have to think that they’re a sitting duck if anyone in the bottom three ever manages to get their shit together”.

“What they don’t have is any kind of cutting edge”.

“they have a few bright, lightweight players”.

“Brighton having great acres of possession and not really knowing how to harvest it”.

 

[Acker79]

People are blaming Duffy for the goal yesterday for not making a tackle but the real problem was Mooy losing the ball in midfield and as has been said his confidence must be rock bottom at the moment.

Yes that was the primary reason. Duffy should have done better but 60% Mooy for me.

I can't see any logic in that. Yes, Mooy losing the ball was a major part of the goal, but Watford still had to travel half the pitch and Duffy backed away, showed doucoure inside onto his stronger foot, backed off, backed off, backed off, letting him progress closer and closer until he was in a shooting position, then continued to stand off and let him shoot. All this despite having two defenders behind him who could cover Doucoure and the other Watford player, if a Duffy challenge is unsuccessful.

How that can be less of a contribution to the goal than anyone losing possession in the middle of the pitch just boggles my mind. No Mooy shouldn't have lost the ball, but he lost it so far up the pitch our defenders (and primarily Duffy) have to take the bulk of responsibility for the goal.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

To offer something positive in a background of rather critical (but accurate) perspectives.....

Alzate.

Ali J and his clever passing.

Maupay

Intensity (lacking most of the time, but impressive when we discover it).

All is not lost. And Potter can change it up, as many have said.

Last season I felt we were doomed till we won away at Palace, then I felt like I was going under general anaesthesia till the end of the season, respiratory arrest a mere breath away . . . . and then we survived. Don't think I'll feel like that this season. We shall see.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I can't see any logic in that. Yes, Mooy losing the ball was a major part of the goal, but Watford still had to travel half the pitch and Duffy backed away, showed doucoure inside onto his stronger foot, backed off, backed off, backed off, letting him progress closer and closer until he was in a shooting position, then continued to stand off and let him shoot. All this despite having two defenders behind him who could cover Doucoure and the other Watford player, if a Duffy challenge is unsuccessful.

How that can be less of a contribution to the goal than anyone losing possession in the middle of the pitch just boggles my mind. No Mooy shouldn't have lost the ball, but he lost it so far up the pitch our defenders (and primarily Duffy) have to take the bulk of responsibility for the goal.

He lost it in our own half allowing a 3 on 3, I can’t understand how you can think it is less culpable.... [emoji2]

Duffy shouldn’t have backed off, but the source of the issue is Mooy, there was 15-20 yards of clear space behind him. Why is he trying to force a pass exposing the defence?

That wouldn’t have happened last season as we were more compact, and arguably not yesterday if Stephens had been there.


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[brightonmark1234]

This is how I feel Teams have worked us out and we are becoming so predictable and easy to play against and It's all well and good having all this Possession football but we are doing nothing with it and it's time for potter to change something

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

To offer something positive in a background of rather critical (but accurate) perspectives.....

Alzate.

Ali J and his clever passing.

Maupay

Intensity (lacking most of the time, but impressive when we discover it).

All is not lost. And Potter can change it up, as many have said.

Last season I felt we were doomed till we won away at Palace, then I felt like I was going under general anaesthesia till the end of the season, respiratory arrest a mere breath away . . . . and then we survived. Don't think I'll feel like that this season. We shall see.

Maupay?


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[Acker79]

He lost it in our own half allowing a 3 on 3, I can’t understand how you can think it is less culpable.... [emoji2]

Because possession is lost all the time all over the pitch, and the opposition still have to get from where they win the ball to the goal and shoot, giving the defending team plenty of time and opportunity to snuff out the goal scoring chance. Duffy didn't even attempt to do that. He just backed away and let them get from the half way line to the edge of the penalty box with far too much ease. How many times did we lose possession yesterday? It isn't automatically a costly thing if the team responds the right way. We didn't, and it was that lack of reaction that led to the goal, not the loss of possession.

 

[BensGrandad]

Doucoure ran 10-15 yds with the ball after collecting it off of Mooy about 8 yds inside of our half, with no challenge whatsoever from anybody, which wouldnt have happened had Stephens been playing. What was Duffy supposed to do lunge straight into a tackle, No the obvious was to jockey him back for others to help out and put in a tackle but unfortunately they didnt.

 

[One Love]

He lost it in our own half allowing a 3 on 3, I can’t understand how you can think it is less culpable.... [emoji2]

Duffy shouldn’t have backed off, but the source of the issue is Mooy, there was 15-20 yards of clear space behind him. Why is he trying to force a pass exposing the defence?

That wouldn’t have happened last season as we were more compact, and arguably not yesterday if Stephens had been there.


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In my opinion Mooy was dropped in it with not a lot of options and was very unlucky.

A bigger problem was Propper forgetting he was a defensive midfield for the day and being so far forward. We had no cover.

Duffy then defended really badly.

The rest was sheer quality from Dacoure.

 

[Acker79]

Doucoure ran 10-15 yds with the ball after collecting it off of Mooy with no challenge whatsoever from anybody, which wouldnt have happened had Stephens been playing and also what was Duffy supposed to do lunge straight into a tackle, No the obvious was to jockey him back for others to help out but unfortunately they didnt.

You say he was allowed to run up the pitch. No challenge from Duffy. No support from the other defenders.

And yet you blame Mooy

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

In my opinion Mooy was dropped in it with not a lot of options and was very unlucky.

A bigger problem was Propper forgetting he was a defensive midfield for the day and being so far forward. We had no cover.

Duffy then defended really badly.

The rest was sheer quality from Dacoure.

Fair point. But Mooy had too many touches (3 may be 4?) and had no plan when he received the ball. He should have a picture in his mind....


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[One Teddy Maybank]

You say he was allowed to run up the pitch. No challenge from Duffy. No support from the other defenders.

And yet you blame Mooy

Yet you’re expecting Duffy to attack the space and leave a hole behind him?
That would be rank bad defending.

The bit he got wrong was retreating to the penalty spot...


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[peterward]

Yes that was the primary reason. Duffy should have done better but 60% Mooy for me.


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Mooy gave it away badly. Duffy shouldve taken a yellow and played both ball and player. You can't just keep backing off

 

[Acker79]

Yet you’re expecting Duffy to attack the space and leave a hole behind him?
That would be rank bad defending.

The bit he got wrong was retreating to the penalty spot...


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No, because as you say there were other defenders behind him to cover should his challenge be beaten.

 

[BensGrandad]

You say he was allowed to run up the pitch. No challenge from Duffy. No support from the other defenders.

And yet you blame Mooy

Duffy couldnt commit himself to a challenge but having the lost the ball Mooy should have tackled back in the same way that Doucoure did to get the ball in the first place. Or he could have hoped that Propper or Gross dropped in to help but nobody did. so it was a multitude of errors all falling on Duffy shoulders on the edge of the box. Duffy only fault was allowing him to get in the box he should have stopped him outside of it and if it meant a yellow so be it.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Because possession is lost all the time all over the pitch, and the opposition still have to get from where they win the ball to the goal and shoot, giving the defending team plenty of time and opportunity to snuff out the goal scoring chance. Duffy didn't even attempt to do that. He just backed away and let them get from the half way line to the edge of the penalty box with far too much ease. How many times did we lose possession yesterday? It isn't automatically a costly thing if the team responds the right way. We didn't, and it was that lack of reaction that led to the goal, not the loss of possession.

Of course they do, but it’s where you lose possession that matters and that was crucial. You can’t just dismiss the area of the pitch.

Nobody is debating that Duffy went too deep, but Mooy is more to blame for me, there really wasn’t plenty of time.


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