[Albion] What has happened to Potter ball ???

[One Teddy Maybank]

No, because as you say there were other defenders behind him to cover should his challenge be beaten.

But it was 3 on 3, that would have made it 3 on 2.

You simply don’t do that...


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[peterward]

I realise we're all hurting at the moment, but I found this genuine report on Sat game, on how we may be percieved.

"The hosts make a better start, pushing us onto the back foot. (It’ll become clear that we would’ve been on the back foot anyway, but let’s not spoil the moment.) Will Hughes blocks Burn’s bouncing half-volley, Murray meets a cross but is sufficiently impeded by Kabasele. There are a couple of corners. It’s a flurry rather than a storm, and it’s over in five minutes or so. We deal with it well, calm and diligent in defence, snappy in midfield. The game settles into a pattern from which it’ll never escape, of Brighton having great acres of possession and not really knowing how to harvest it, of Watford suffocating it all by sitting deep and gradually pushing each attack backwards, guiding a toddler out of a toy shop.

It has the dramatic intensity of someone prodding a damp sponge with an old toothbrush.

Thing is, you can see where Graham Potter’s trying to get to. Brighton are comfortable on the ball, and they have a few bright, lightweight players who’d frustrate a pragmatist like Hughton but would excite a coach interested in cultivating something more high-brow. What they don’t have is any kind of cutting edge. There’s the potential for goals from Murray, obviously, but he sits atop all of this like a cat on a Christmas tree; the rest of the team isn’t set up either to supply or support him. We happily force Brighton into wide areas and even when we can’t disrupt their crosses, nobody’s remotely interested in joining Uncle Glenn in the penalty area. It all goes very flat very quickly.

They’re a nice side. Polite, tidy, please, thank you. But you have to think that they’re a sitting duck if anyone in the bottom three ever manages to get their shit together"

https://bhappy.wordpress.com/2020/02/09/brighton-and-hove-albion-1-watford-1-08-02-2020/

Spot on that.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Mooy gave it away badly. Duffy shouldve taken a yellow and played both ball and player. You can't just keep backing off

Yes not in debate - only Mooy’s role.


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[Acker79]

But it was 3 on 3, that would have made it 3 on 2.

You simply don’t do that...


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I've just been back and looked at the highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpxjHQeLViE

Docoure and a second watford player surrounded by four brighton players. A fifth brighton player is out wide with the even further out wide third watford player. We had them outnumbered, we absolutely had scope for Duffy to make a challenge, and even if he went for the fair challenge instead of the "man and ball" challenge someone mooted above, we still outnumber them if he is unsuccessful. That's the situation in which you do make the challenge.

Yes not in debate - only Mooy’s role.

I don't think Mooy's role is being debated, it's the balance between which cost us more that we disagree on.

 

[boik]

He’s not experienced at this level nor even the one below. If he was, he’d have a plan to play a team that can get results based on the talent currently here rather than vision to be; which won’t come to pass because relegated managers just don’t tend to get 2nd bites and time to implement plans especially with less money to spend and best players departing. Strikes me as a good solid pro and nice guy. But we’re not after a news reader but a news maker to lead us.

Mr Hughton had experience of the Prem and the championship. Just saying.

Football is a mercurial sport. Lots of things have to come together for it to go well on a consistent basis. We're pretty much where I expected to be. I HOPED to be doing much better, but that's the same every season..

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I've just been back and looked at the highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpxjHQeLViE

Docoure and a second watford player surrounded by four brighton players. A fifth brighton player is out wide with the even further out wide third watford player. We had them outnumbered, we absolutely had scope for Duffy to make a challenge, and even if he went for the fair challenge instead of the "man and ball" challenge someone mooted above, we still outnumber them if he is unsuccessful. That's the situation in which you do make the challenge.

I don't think Mooy's role is being debated, it's the balance between which cost us more that we disagree on.

Well actually it is, as you are almost apportioning everything to Duffy......

But two of the players you reference are chasing back if Duffy comes out, gets beaten Dunk comes across, ball gets squared to Deeney.

Sorry, but seeing that doesn't change my opinion at all, it was poor from Mooy and poor from Duffy, but if we dont give the ball away sloppily it doesn't happen.

Good discussion though thanks Acker.....

 

[portlock seagull]

Mr Hughton had experience of the Prem and the championship. Just saying.

Football is a mercurial sport. Lots of things have to come together for it to go well on a consistent basis. We're pretty much where I expected to be. I HOPED to be doing much better, but that's the same every season..

Hughton kept us up for two seasons. Just saying!

 

[Surf's Up]

I realise we're all hurting at the moment, but I found this genuine report on Sat game, on how we may be percieved.

"The hosts make a better start, pushing us onto the back foot. (It’ll become clear that we would’ve been on the back foot anyway, but let’s not spoil the moment.) Will Hughes blocks Burn’s bouncing half-volley, Murray meets a cross but is sufficiently impeded by Kabasele. There are a couple of corners. It’s a flurry rather than a storm, and it’s over in five minutes or so. We deal with it well, calm and diligent in defence, snappy in midfield. The game settles into a pattern from which it’ll never escape, of Brighton having great acres of possession and not really knowing how to harvest it, of Watford suffocating it all by sitting deep and gradually pushing each attack backwards, guiding a toddler out of a toy shop.

It has the dramatic intensity of someone prodding a damp sponge with an old toothbrush.

Thing is, you can see where Graham Potter’s trying to get to. Brighton are comfortable on the ball, and they have a few bright, lightweight players who’d frustrate a pragmatist like Hughton but would excite a coach interested in cultivating something more high-brow. What they don’t have is any kind of cutting edge. There’s the potential for goals from Murray, obviously, but he sits atop all of this like a cat on a Christmas tree; the rest of the team isn’t set up either to supply or support him. We happily force Brighton into wide areas and even when we can’t disrupt their crosses, nobody’s remotely interested in joining Uncle Glenn in the penalty area. It all goes very flat very quickly.

They’re a nice side. Polite, tidy, please, thank you. But you have to think that they’re a sitting duck if anyone in the bottom three ever manages to get their shit together"

https://bhappy.wordpress.com/2020/02/09/brighton-and-hove-albion-1-watford-1-08-02-2020/

Unfortunately the person that wrote this is spot on, particularly his/her description of us as having a few bright, lightweight players. Teams just simply outmuscle us all over the park and allow us to weave our pretty patterns in our own half and thus to get our possession stats up but to little or no effect. And as the author concludes...but you have to think that they're a sitting duck if anyone in the bottom three ever manages to get their shit together. Depressing.

 

[Weststander]

Brighton and Palarse are currently stinking the PL out.

 

[boik]

Hughton kept us up for two seasons. Just saying!

Indeed. And I think GP will keep us up too, despite no premier league experience. I also think that GP has greater potential in the modern game, but without results he may not get to achieve that potential.

 

[drummerboy10]

Easier said than done when he inherited A) the slowest team in the Premier League & B) a team that has nobody that can unlock a defence.

Makes us unbelievably easy to defend against.

Then surely we have to change the philosophy of our style of play. At the moment we don’t have the players for Potters intended style so we either persist or we change the style to suit our players.

 

[Wozza]

Unfortunately the person that wrote this is spot on, particularly his/her description of us as having a few bright, lightweight players. Teams just simply outmuscle us all over the park and allow us to weave our pretty patterns in our own half and thus to get our possession stats up but to little or no effect. And as the author concludes...but you have to think that they're a sitting duck if anyone in the bottom three ever manages to get their shit together. Depressing.

Ian is very much a 'he'. Lives in Hastings. Knows his football. Definitely a soft spot for the Albion. Very supportive of Fans United back in the day.

 

[Albion Prem]

I'm not saying that Pearson was a genius in the match, just that he got his first team selection spot on, simply playing his best players. We often fail against powerful opponents (Blades, Burnley), and he seemed aware of that. Potter didn't ... keeps tinkering and too many weak 'technicians' in midfield.

Agree with you about Deeney, I put that down to Dunk or Duffy doing a job on him. I expect to be hammered now, as almost everyone seems to hate Duffy with a passion.

i was very pleased to see Duffy and Dunk selected bringing together the top central defenders from last season, its the strikers we have to rely on,hopefully they will come good

 

[portlock seagull]

Indeed. And I think GP will keep us up too, despite no premier league experience. I also think that GP has greater potential in the modern game, but without results he may not get to achieve that potential.

That’s the rub isn’t it. Potential lies far behind results in the pecking order, especially with hundreds millions at stake. He simply won’t get that long if he takes us down. Who knows how many potential greats might have been over the years. Fergie, Mark Robins and all that!

 

[Weststander]

We’re Champions League when it comes to passing.




Just need a killer instinct in the final third.

 

[portlock seagull]

That’s a brilliant synopsis .... of the first 60 minutes yesterday.

Many of those comments have been made on NSC in the last 24 hours, eg

“nobody’s remotely interested in joining Uncle Glenn in the penalty area”.

“you have to think that they’re a sitting duck if anyone in the bottom three ever manages to get their shit together”.

“What they don’t have is any kind of cutting edge”.

“they have a few bright, lightweight players”.

“Brighton having great acres of possession and not really knowing how to harvest it”.

Brighton have a very long history of signing light weight, little players that get out muscled. Several of our sides have just been missing Snow White its been that acute.

 

[AmexRuislip]

Ian is very much a 'he'. Lives in Hastings. Knows his football. Definitely a soft spot for the Albion. Very supportive of Fans United back in the day.

Thanks for the info

 

[portlock seagull]

We’re Champions League when it comes to passing.

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Just need a killer instinct in the final third.

Possession is such a dull stat because as we all know, it’s what you do with it that counts. Lies lies and damned lies eh!

 

[Weststander]

Possession is such a dull stat because as we all know, it’s what you do with it that counts. Lies lies and damned lies eh!

Couldn’t agree more, but at the really elite level, possession is craved for devastating attacking as soon as won. They happen to have great possession stats due to that strategy and having immensely talented players.

I can see what Potter’s doing. But we need more pace and directness in midfield to capitalise on it, allied to rapid support for the lone wolf of Murray or Maupay.

 

[Napper]

Doesn’t look like the players believe in it at the moment.

Think we are going down