What a fxxkin up Syria is......

[Albion my Albion]

Really seems to be a hiding for nothing for all involved. I do have humanity and realise why many thousands of people have fled, I just wish that most would claim asylum in the FIRST safe country they arrive in.

Putin seems to be an absolute arse, Assad should be charged with war crimes, strangely the Americans seem to come out with the least criticism right now although they have admitted some mistakes.

Horrible for the innocents caught up in this, very sad all round.

American election is not about foreign policy at all except for building a wall on the southern border. America is teeming with internationals.

 

[symyjym]

Its not that many years ago that the USA was invited to assist a South Asian government, and committed unbelievable atrocities on the civilian population. Civil wars are generally the worst sort of wars, and civilians always suffer the most. Its a horrible situation. Again. Hopefullly, they can come up with a plan to move the civilians out of Aleppo, and let the protaganists do what they want to each other. The 'rebels', who are mixed in with some people who are also fighting us in the west are using the people as much as the Syrian govt is using them.
As for Putin, I think we would be a less safe world with a weak Russian president. That country needs a hard man as its leader.

The trouble with “democratic” political systems is that there is no consistency and we don’t know what idiot we will get next. Bush, Blair, Cameron were all quick to fit a war in on their watch. Ours and the US’s foreign policy for the last 15 years has been a shamble of lies and deception.

The prospect of the warmongering Clinton or the bigot Trump being elected is a choice of two paths and both equally scary for different reasons. Whether people like Putin or not he is consistent and doesn’t use dangerous emotional rhetoric.

 

[symyjym]

Well of course there isn't, anyone with evidence would have an accident.

Are you taking the piss?

It could be considered that murdering all opposition provides the most stable government for the good of the people. Considered by fascists.

Of course he didn't sink it, but they delayed allowing rescue teams to give the crew a chance of survival. She wasn't hurting anyone or threatening to do so. She wasn't a danger to herself or anyone else, she just wanted answers as to why the authorities weren't doing anything. The notion that it's the correct decision to drug a parent to stop them raising concerns about their child is laughable.

All governments do stupid things. What happened with the Kursk was awful, but so to sending our troops out to war without the right equipment. Giving them Snatch and Grabs instead armour plated vehicles could be considered a moral crime. Whatever Putin has done we have probably done worse if we delve into it.

 

[Triggaaar]

All governments do stupid things. What happened with the Kursk was awful, but so to sending our troops out to war without the right equipment. Giving them Snatch and Grabs instead armour plated vehicles could be considered a moral crime.

The cost cutting that lead to the Kursk sinking was bad, but I'm not complaining about that - that's the sort of thing that can and does happen, and the sort of silly thing all countries do. They're mistakes, oversights, accidents. Injecting a mother to shut her up is not an accident. Nor is murdering your opposition.

Whatever Putin has done we have probably done worse if we delve into it.

When was the last time we invaded a foreign country and took their land for ourselves?

 

[symyjym]

The cost cutting that lead to the Kursk sinking was bad, but I'm not complaining about that - that's the sort of thing that can and does happen, and the sort of silly thing all countries do. They're mistakes, oversights, accidents. Injecting a mother to shut her up is not an accident. Nor is murdering your opposition.

When was the last time we invaded a foreign country and took their land for ourselves?

I'm not condoning injecting hysterical people but even in institutions over here if a patient is hysterical they will be sedated. The only difference with the Kursk incident is that it was done publicly and not in a psychiatric hospital. There isn’t a moral difference really.

As far as murdering the opposition, Boris Nemtsov, we really don't know what happened. Personally I think that shooting someone in the street is a bit too messy for a KGB operation. Someone of his status would have been involved in a car accident.

Putin hasn't invaded a foreign country, or if you are implying the Crimea and Uktrain contention is this, I would see it as a bit more more complex.

 

[heathgate]

Stop trying to play god with countries far different from ourselves

Fairly narrow outlook..... you are forgetting, they export their instability to the west at every opportunity,... in the form of migrants and terrorists.

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[Triggaaar]

I'm not condoning injecting hysterical people but even in institutions over here if a patient is hysterical they will be sedated. The only difference with the Kursk incident is that it was done publicly and not in a psychiatric hospital. There isn’t a moral difference really.

I am amazed you are serious. She wasn't hysterical, she was complaining about a lack of action being taken to rescue her son and the others on board. We don't approve of psychiatric patients being sedated against their will unless they are a danger to themselves or others. This lady was clearly neither.

As far as murdering the opposition, Boris Nemtsov, we really don't know what happened.

It's a bit too convenient isn't it.

Putin hasn't invaded a foreign country, or if you are implying the Crimea and Uktrain contention is this, I would see it as a bit more more complex.

Yes he has. Ukraine is not Russia, it is a separate country, and Russia (on Putin's order) invaded.

Putin sent soldiers and police to France to assault English tourists, and then he joked about how could just 200 (armed) Russians beat up thousands of (drunk) English fans.

 

[The Birdman]

Where's mr Wilson a few stinger missiles will sort the barrel bombers.

 

[symyjym]

I am amazed you are serious. She wasn't hysterical, she was complaining about a lack of action being taken to rescue her son and the others on board. We don't approve of psychiatric patients being sedated against their will unless they are a danger to themselves or others. This lady was clearly neither.

It's a bit too convenient isn't it.

Yes he has. Ukraine is not Russia, it is a separate country, and Russia (on Putin's order) invaded.

Putin sent soldiers and police to France to assault English tourists, and then he joked about how could just 200 (armed) Russians beat up thousands of (drunk) English fans.

No I'm not being serious I'm being slightly flippant because I’m not sure what this incident from 16 years ago has to do with Syria today.

We really don't know what happened to Boris Nemtsov, but it has nothing to do with Syria.

The Ukraine is a fascist state, there are Russians in the Ukraine and it’s a border dispute. Putin certainly has more justification in drawing a line with his neighbours than Bush and Blair did going to Iraq.

I don’t know the full story of the Russian fans apart from that it was well organised. No doubt there were a few England fans giving it the large one before the tournament started and wanted trouble but the Russians took it seriously and it was a total mismatch, with normal England fans on the back end of it. Still not sure what this has to do with Syria though.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

No I'm not being serious I'm being slightly flippant because I’m not sure what this incident from 16 years ago has to do with Syria today.

We really don't know what happened to Boris Nemtsov, but it has nothing to do with Syria.

The Ukraine is a fascist state, there are Russians in the Ukraine and it’s a border dispute. Putin certainly has more justification in drawing a line with his neighbours than Bush and Blair did going to Iraq.

I don’t know the full story of the Russian fans apart from that it was well organised. No doubt there were a few England fans giving it the large one before the tournament started and wanted trouble but the Russians took it seriously and it was a total mismatch, with normal England fans on the back end of it. Still not sure what this has to do with Syria though.

Firstly, THE Ukraine is an incredibly insulting term which refers to Ukraine as a region of the USSR, rather than the sovereign country it is.

Secondly, it is NOT a fascist state.

 

[symyjym]

Firstly, THE Ukraine is an incredibly insulting term which refers to Ukraine as a region of the USSR, rather than the sovereign country it is.

Secondly, it is NOT a fascist state.

Some argue that it is a fascist state:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/23/ukraine-corruption-bigotry-western-support-russia

 

[Triggaaar]

No I'm not being serious

Oh.

I'm being slightly flippant because I’m not sure what this incident from 16 years ago has to do with Syria today.

We were talking about Putin, and he was leader of Russia 16 years ago too.

We really don't know what happened to Boris Nemtsov, but it has nothing to do with Syria.

We're talking about Putin.

The Ukraine is a fascist state, there are Russians in the Ukraine and it’s a border dispute.

He invaded another country and took their land. Calling it a border dispute is like calling WW2 a diplomatic incident.

Putin certainly has more justification in drawing a line with his neighbours than Bush and Blair did going to Iraq.

We all think Bush and Blair were wrong to go to Iraq, but at least they didn't then keep Iraq as their own, as Putin has done.

I don’t know the full story of the Russian fans apart from that it was well organised. No doubt there were a few England fans giving it the large one before the tournament started and wanted trouble but the Russians took it seriously and it was a total mismatch, with normal England fans on the back end of it. Still not sure what this has to do with Syria though.

We were talking about Putin.

Recap for you:

Putin seems to be an absolute arse

No, I'm not having that. Let's stick to facts here shall we - what, exactly, has he ever done to you?

That's where you joined in:

Putin was against the war in Iraq, Libya and Syria. I don't mind him and he hasn't caused as much trouble as Bush, Blair in Iraq or Obama Cameron in Libya and Syria.

If some people believe he is a nutter, we could have had far worse than Putin.

So you and I are talking about Putin, not Syria.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Some argue that it is a fascist state:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/23/ukraine-corruption-bigotry-western-support-russia

My own family, personal experiences and what I see with my own eyes fiercly disputes that.

 

[nicko31]

Difficult to believe Syria was actually a great tourist destination just a few years ago

http://petapixel.com/2016/08/02/26-photos-show-war-changed-syria/

Friggin sad

 

[daveinprague]

My own family, personal experiences and what I see with my own eyes fiercly disputes that.

You would think that a non fascist state would have no place for the Azov Battalion

 

[symyjym]

Oh.
We were talking about Putin, and he was leader of Russia 16 years ago too.

We're talking about Putin.

He invaded another country and took their land. Calling it a border dispute is like calling WW2 a diplomatic incident.
We all think Bush and Blair were wrong to go to Iraq, but at least they didn't then keep Iraq as their own, as Putin has done.

We were talking about Putin.

Recap for you:


That's where you joined in:
So you and I are talking about Putin, not Syria.

Yes, my comment was in agreement with you on a comment made about Putin. I just added to it. I wasn't intending on doing an autopsy on 16 years of Putin history.

 

[symyjym]

My own family, personal experiences and what I see with my own eyes fiercly disputes that.

Well at least I understand now that you have your own bias. It would be interesting to understand what your experiences were? But I don't expect you to disclose anything personal on NSC.

I understand what our western governments are like and it has all been about deception for ulterior motives and dodgy arms deals over the last 16 years. From what we have witnessed it has been the west that has caused all the problems we see in the Middle East today not Putin.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

You would think that a non fascist state would have no place for the Azov Battalion

No you really wouldn't think that , when the Asov Battalion is now a regiment part of the non-fascist state's national guard resisting the russian invasion from the east.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Well at least I understand now that you have your own bias. It would be interesting to understand what your experiences were? But I don't expect you to disclose anything personal on NSC.

I understand what our western governments are like and it has all been about deception for ulterior motives and dodgy arms deals over the last 16 years. From what we have witnessed it has been the west that has caused all the problems we see in the Middle East today not Putin.

I don't come on NSC really to start discussing and thinking about such matters but I got pretty incensed by the term 'the ukraine'. Enough for now.

 

[daveinprague]

No you really wouldn't think that , when the Asov Battalion is now a regiment part of the non-fascist state's national guard resisting the russian invasion from the east.

So there is an openly fascist regiment fighting in the Dombass? Wow.
Tell me, how many far right politicians are in the current government. From the Svoboda party for instance? Given the history of political parties with the words Socialist National in their title etc.

edit: just saw your last post, so fair enough.