I'd love a tram system. You could get catch the tram to central Brighton, stopping at Rejection, Disappointment, Backstabbing Central and Shattered Dreams Parkway.
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[Brighton] Western Road Redevelopment
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In other words, they're crippling expensive to build, much less flexible and lumber the city with an enormous maintenance liability.
While the advantage is... that they look a bit tidier and remind you of European cities (like Sheffield and Nottingham)?
Seriously though, they make much more sense as mass-transit for commuters between hubs, rather than as a way to move people around a city centre.
They should build one out to Falmer
Badger Boy
Mr Badger
- Jan 28, 2016
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A tram running between the bottom of North Street and Palmeira Square would work fantastically well. It would reduce the need to have and run so many buses, the routes would be shorter so should be more reliable and they could dramatically re-design the routes to open up better links between, for example, Mile Oak and Southwick/Shoreham. It's a radical idea, but I think it makes a lot of sense to separate Hove and Brighton and link them by a tram which would be far more efficient and cost effective. You could still have routes running between Hove and Brighton, for example you could still have the number 7 running from Hove to link Hove and Brighton stations, but then have it turn left on Queens Road down North Road and then send it up Edward Street instead of St James Street, which would be well served by the current 1 route starting from Old Steine. If you could re-design the routes from scratch, I think that would be the ideal. It could also lead to a new route running a bus from Brighton Marina (or Rottingdean) into Hove and beyond along the A259 which is currently ignored on all Brighton and Hove routes between the Pier and Station Road, Portslade.
I think it will be fine. Trams go up similar inclines over here.
Interesting as it’s the opposite here, and in most other places I’ve seen I.e they’re city centre solutions as opposed to mass-transit for commuters.….that’s what trains are for.In other words, they're crippling expensive to build, much less flexible and lumber the city with an enormous maintenance liability.
While the advantage is... that they look a bit tidier and remind you of European cities (like Sheffield and Nottingham)?
Seriously though, they make much more sense as mass-transit for commuters between hubs, rather than as a way to move people around a city centre.
They should build one out to Falmer
This is the spirit!
As an aside, people who know me, know that I have given my tram solution plenty of thought…….mainly at 5am one Saturday morning 10 years or so ago. It’s fully costed and funded, all the routes have been devised, staff arranged and I have even thought about the opening ceremony whIch will involve a live performance by Super Furry Animals who will be approached to reform for the occasion.
tigertim68
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- Sep 3, 2012
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Yep they should try and get a tram network built like the one they have in Nice , which is a fantastic system
Monkey Man
Your support is not that great
Magnus Volk actually proposed an underground network that went from the station down Queens Road and West Street and then spurred along the seafont, in both directions if I recall correctly, which I may not have done.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
You use it often?
Once a month maybe. Was a lot more pre-pandemic though.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
The tram networks I'm familiar with (in Britain) generally have lines passing from some suburban or out of town population centre (like Hillsborough or Rotherham near Sheffield) through the centre and out the other side.
As I understand, the German networks were retained after the war, so they will be more extensive. It may well be that in financial terms it would make more sense to run some of them as bus routes instead but I expect people would complain, and obviously the infrastructure's already there.
The point is, to justify the construction cost you need really high passenger numbers, it can't just be about making it a minute quicker and a bit nicer to get down Western Road.
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talk2knighty
Member
- Dec 26, 2014
- 73
Whilst I’d absolutely support and love the idea of trams in Brighton & Hove I’d love someone to explain who would pay for it and where the money would come from.
Weststander
Well-known member
Interesting, I’ve seen massive M&S lorries using it & buses already do up to Crown Street.
Badger Boy
Mr Badger
- Jan 28, 2016
- 3,658
Probably following a satnav or just plain not knowing the best way to go. Buses currently all turn at Crown Street, nothing is schedule to drive the full length from Montpellier Road. That is going to dramatically change now. The road should probably be one way for the duration to ensure decent flow of traffic because that could be a nightmare pinch point and really clog up roads all over the place.
That Montpelier Road/Montpelier Terrace junction is bad enough with just cars there. They need to stick some double red lines around the area for the duration and change the signalling so buses aren't having to wait for traffic coming south down Montpelier Road, to turn into to Montpelier Terrace.
I can’t give any figures on historical tram routes but what I can tell you is I have been in the country 10 years and during the credit crunch they built numerous new tracks and added new routes, I got 3 new services outside my apartment alone. And during the pandemic they decided to extend further and are now in the process of connecting an entire new area to the network. So no, not all the infrastructure was already present.
The last point I highlighted is the most salient imho. Its not just about direct revenue, it’s more about the overall value they bring. The fact my whole neighbourhood was welcomely dug up for 5 years, with little resistance or moaning, to install new tracks, tells you all you need to know about public support. The most moaning I heard was when the roads finally reopened and we weren’t pedestrianised anymore. And it was also done when money was cheap. And this cycle starts again but further down the road. Why wouldn’t you do this
Give BVG a call, Im sure they can offer advice. In fact, there’s numerous countries you could call and ask.
Eh? Western Road is basically flat, and Queens Road only has a slight incline. They used to go up Elm Grove and New England Road!