[Albion] West Ham United vs Brighton & Hove Albion *** Official Match Thread ***

[One Teddy Maybank]

Just reading some of the criticisms of Potter and how it was HIS fault that our defenders were at fault for the 2 West Ham goals.

Take the 2nd. Great corner, Dunky tickled it where he should have cleared and White not interested in tracking Souček. How is that Potter's fault?

Thankfully, most people have a brain and back Potter.

So you don’t think the system of marking/zonal coverage is the managers decision?


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[Icy Gull]

Several times we’ve lost the lead and it’s usually due to set pieces, that’s down to the manager’s system.

Your opening gambit where you stated the other poster didn’t understand PL football seemed a bit self assured to me, apologies if I misunderstood the meaning behind it.

More to do with the “know nothing about football” comment on the slagging off of people who disagreed with the post I quoted

 

[Recidivist]

Just reading some of the criticisms of Potter and how it was HIS fault that our defenders were at fault for the 2 West Ham goals.

Take the 2nd. Great corner, Dunky tickled it where he should have cleared and White not interested in tracking Souček. How is that Potter's fault?

Thankfully, most people have a brain and back Potter.

Don’t agree that our team overall is not good enough in most areas.

The big picture, however, is that our record this calendar year is dreadful, particularly at home, and I think we were pretty lucky not to get relegated last season.

But for lockdown and two late goals against Arsenal on the resumption, I suspect we probably would have been.

I love the way we play under Potter but my belief is that he needs help to coach out the repetitive defensive errors and improve our set piece plays.

Scoring more goals is more problematic and I think we will need to splash the cash if Welbeck doesn’t come good as I think Maupay is probably not quite good enough at this level.

Oh for Murray at his peak! We’d be top ten already....


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[papajaff]

Several times we’ve lost the lead and it’s usually due to set pieces, that’s down to the manager’s system

Is it bollox. Do you think our defenders think... "that's fine, it's not us being shít, it's the gaffers fault".

Answer this, was it Ben White's fault for not giving a shít about tracking Souček today? Or Graham Potter's fault standing on the touchline?

 

[Icy Gull]

So you don’t think the system of marking/zonal coverage is the managers decision?


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No excuse for players not doing their job though, they know the system. Not being good enough to do it is the problem.

Is that the manager’s problem? Well yes of course it is but the blame lies with the quality of players he has to work with. Is this another bring back Hughton and “let’s get everyone behind the ball and feck trying to win the game” attempt ?

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

You're right, the defending scares me at every set piece. Not sure if it's the system, or maybe defenders buying into the line that they are now ball-playing defenders and can't just Row Z it any more?

Not Potterball I’m afraid.

We do miss Duffy from that perspective, not a great player who fits the playing style, but a proper defender who attacks the ball.


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[DarrenFreemansPerm]

Is it bollox. Do you think our defenders think... "that's fine, it's not us being shít, it's the gaffers fault".

Answer this, was it Ben White's fault for not giving a shít about tracking Souček today? Or Graham Potter's fault standing on the touchline?

That was definitely poor from Ben, also poor from Dunk, but zonal marking has got us into trouble other numerous times this season, like leaving Maupay on Maguire against United, Veltman on Vestergaard and March on Mina (I think?) . It’s easy to predict for the opposition and they can line themselves up favourably.
But ultimately, yes, today was crap individual errors.

 

[nwgull]

Wellbeck and Lallana would not stay with us to play in the championship- Fact

Lallana signed a 3 year contract, so he may not have much choice. Besides, he signed for us because we offered him a pathway to coaching, which would presumably still exist in the championship.

 

[Icy Gull]

Is it bollox. Do you think our defenders think... "that's fine, it's not us being shít, it's the gaffers fault".

Answer this, was it Ben White's fault for not giving a shít about tracking Souček today? Or Graham Potter's fault standing on the touchline?

Much easier to blame the manager than the players

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

Much easier to blame the manager than the players

I’ve explained my post but don’t let that get in the way of this rather romantic Dutch Rudder going on here.

 

[Icy Gull]

Not Potterball I’m afraid.

We do miss Duffy from that perspective, not a great player who fits the playing style, but a proper defender who attacks the ball.


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We have moved on from playing that style of football though.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

No excuse for players not doing their job though, they know the system. Not being good enough to do it is the problem

But the system is exposed time after time, that is not the players that is the system.

The manager/coaching team should review and amend, and that should have happened after earlier games.

Potter seems too stubborn at times to adapt/admit defeat and this time he needs to.


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[Deleted member 2719]

Embarrassing.

Ooo look I said it. Bedwetters. Tee hee. I’m still eight years old and at primary school.

Go on take a look around on here, there are people whole say Gammon and others that can't' spell day, without hitting a T instead of a Y.

So much childish stuff to choose from.

Let's call them the moaning minnies then? Or the whinging C**K wombles.

Whats you preferred description of the negative numbnuts

 

[Icy Gull]

I’ve explained my post but don’t let that get in the way of this rather romantic Dutch Rudder going on here.

I hadn’t seen your reply when I posted that!

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

We have moved on from playing that style of football though.

But we probably need a combination of both. Most teams have ugly defenders as well as ball playing ones.

The secret is not letting the likes of Duffy think he can play....


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[DarrenFreemansPerm]

Go on take a look around on here, there are people whole say Gammon and others that can't' spell day, without hitting a T instead of a Y.

So much childish stuff to choose from.

Let's call them the moaning minnies then? Or the whinging C**K wombles.

Whats you preferred description of the negative numbnuts

Why do they have to be labelled in the first place? It’s not a crime to have a different opinion.

 

[Icy Gull]

But the system is exposed time after time, that is not the players that is the system.

The manager/coaching team should review and amend, and that should have happened after earlier games.

Potter seems too stubborn at times to adapt/admit defeat and this time he needs to.


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Hence my feeling that Bloom needs to improve the squad. The players are falling well short of what is required for the tactics. Really hope that Bloom sticks with it (even if we get relegated) and replaces the sub standard players rather than the manager who I bloody love

 

[Stat Brother]

Go on take a look around on here, there are people whole say Gammon and others that can't' spell day, without hitting a T instead of a Y.

So much childish stuff to choose from.

Let's call them the moaning minnies then? Or the whinging C**K wombles.

Whats you preferred description of the negative numbnuts

Negative Nerys'

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Hence my feeling that Bloom needs to improve the squad. The players are falling well short of what is required for the tactics. Really hope that Bloom sticks with it (even if we get relegated) and replaces the sub standard players rather than the manager who I bloody love

Sorry Icy, the manager needs to adapt, drop the zonal defending, and think about it differently.

Assuming GP still gets final say on transfers then, the ‘lighter’ players is his call.

I certainly don’t want Potter out either [emoji2] we played well in the main, but every time a set piece is conceded we look wobbly....


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[PandA]

I'm very confused about some of the arguments made regarding the individual vs team performances.. If Graham is not ultimately responsible for how players perform on the pitch overall, what is he responsible for? Just strategy? Just tactics? Can he wash his hands of everything come kick off? We can't declare that bad or sub optimal results are due to players letting him down, but good performances are a result of his coaching talent. The other side of the same coin is the many comments and viewpoints regarding his amazing tactics which are somehow, regularly scuppered by sub par, non PL level players. If that's the case I would be asking Graham why he persists in planning strategies/tactics that his players seem incapable of actioning on the pitch. Surely that's one of the basic skills of a manager. He/she can assess the strengths and abilities of players and plan to play to those strengths. In fact, I thought that's what Graham was so good at. Getting the best out of players that were not top notch. Isn't that what he was lauded for in Sweden? I don't believe Graham is a bad manager. However, nor do I believe we have a rubbish team of players. All the same, something is not working. I don't necessarily believe that Graham should not be here, but I do believe he is out of his depth right now and somehow needs help. That help might be additions to his coaching staff, maybe some different signings. I don't know, but right now t seems like the club doesn't either.