[Football] West ham and Potter

[Justice]

Why would I back up opinions with threads and quotes that people will forget when we have this same conversation again?

Normal course of debates around this subject:

1. One or several members gets agitated with the club and the people working with it for whatever reason. Maybe they stole Dick Knights glory. Maybe they are telling season ticket-holders to use their season tickets. Maybe they didn't spend £100m on Alexis Mac Allister. Maybe only finished top 10 in the league. Maybe didn't challenge for Europe. There's lots of crimes against humanity brought up here, and the club, the owner and its model are frequently seen as the causes of these crimes against humanity.

2. I say there is no crimes against humanity done in BHAFC and that people should be very grateful that they have a well-run club.

3. People will suddenly tell me "no we all love Tony Bloom and if you don't believe you need to read these 20 year old books where I'm portrayed as a hero and thus can't be criticised or opposed".

4. I bring up a bunch of quotes and threads with people absolutely bashing Tony, the club and the model.

5. People ignore the evidence because they don't like it and keep pretending they're all very grateful superfans and if I don't believe it I should read 20+ year old backs that prove it.

I haven't read the Falmer book but I have read Build a Bonfire. Its a good book, a great story, and people hide behind it whenever they want to defend their opposition against Tony Bloom and how he runs the club ("RDZ is great because he says NO to everything Tony wants!!"). Because of course they know it is entitled, ungrateful, spoilt and infantile to ask the guy who spent £400m on the club to spend another £100m on luxury footballers, so they need a good f***ing book to hide behind to they don't have to argue their position.

If people want to me to buy their superfan shit they could act as if they give a shit about the club (other than as a pastime entertainment show they can moan about) rather than show me a f***ing book about how great fans they are.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Sorry, I have decided to disengage from this thread due to repeated complaints that I'm derailing the super interesting discussion you guys were about to have about Graham Potter.

You can proceed discussing this new, fascinating and unexplored subject without further derailings from me.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

He’s been there for … a week, ffs.

Lions share of possession, no shots on target, low xG, lose at home. He's got them playing the Potter way very quickly. Sign of a good manager that.

 

[Justice]

He’s been there for … a week, ffs.

Is Potter worship a Swedish thing. Are there more participants or just the two of you?

 

[BadFish]

Why would I back up opinions with threads and quotes that people will forget when we have this same conversation again?

Because otherwise you look like you are creating strawman arguments and totally misrepresenting the fanbase of which you apparently want to become a part.

Because if you don't you come across as a bitter troll who would rather wind up the fanbase you claim to wish to be part of.

In all honesty you can (and will) do what you want. However if you wish to present yourself as someone who understands football, on here and on your vlog, you probably want to understand your subject better.

You have missed the mark and embarrassed yourself on this subject . You are now choosing to ignore all advice and attack those you are wishing to impress with your football knowledge.

Again it's up to you, you will continue to double down, arrogance and a lack of self awareness will see to that. But don't be surprised when no-one on here takes you seriously as you alienate yourself from those that enjoy your posts.

Step away for a while lay off the weed and go and get some fresh air. Before you f*** it up again.

 

[Kosh]

I’m going to say it as I see it:

Swansman is almost certainly all of the following:

1- I suspect he’s never kicked a football in his life… although he’s made outlandish claims like he invented the step-over and coached an under 8 scouts team to the quarters of the local 7 a-side somewhere near to where Orebro play.
2- his ‘footballing knowledge’ is limited to watching and re-hashing (as his own work) tactical analysis vids he’s clearly watched on YouTube.
3- he hates ‘fans’ as he considers them intellectually and emotionally compromised and therefore wrong all of the time.
4- he doesn’t give a shit about this club or our journey and is simply using us as a convenient vehicle for his narcissistic tendencies.
5- his go to in any debate is to immediately opt for unbridled aggression and ridicule, and when he gets it wrong he dissipates like a wisp of mist in a stiff breeze…
6- he attempts to come across as some kind of Svengali hippy but the mask always slips and we end up with him smashing beer cans off his forehead whilst running naked through a park in Stockholm, screaming in impotent rage… we’ve all seen the vid.

Other than that, he’s alright.

Not sure who I dislike more? But I think Potter shades it.

 

[BadFish]

Thread after thread gets detailed buy the Potter V RDZ debate. For some who apparently can't let go this discussion is so binary that any praise of either is taken as criticism of the other and away we go.

Perhaps we need a dedicated thread for those that can't move on and /or feel the need to 'win' this argument.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Warning: This thread contains a large number of “precious” posts.

 

[Swegulls]

Is Potter worship a Swedish thing. Are there more participants or just the two of you?

I hope it has more to do with common sense than the fact that we come from Sweden.

Anyone who takes a team from the fourth division to European Cup play deserves some respect.

It’s probably harder to make that journey in England but once you're there, in the EL, it's equivalent.

If you lead your team to wins against Hertha Berlin, Galatasaray, PAOK, Arsenal and draw against Atletic Club you cannot be such an idiot as he is often portrayed here.

And, they did it with a fraction of the budget of the aforementioned clubs.

He then got an offer no one would refuse.

Respect

 

[jcdenton08]

I hope it has more to do with common sense than the fact that we come from Sweden.

Anyone who takes a team from the fourth division to European Cup play deserves some respect.

It’s probably harder to make that journey in England but once you're there, in the EL, it's equivalent.

If you lead your team to wins against Hertha Berlin, Galatasaray, PAOK, Arsenal and draw against Atletic Club you cannot be such an idiot as he is often portrayed here.

And, they did it with a fraction of the budget of the aforementioned clubs.

He then got an offer no one would refuse.

Respect

But he’s gone. No Brighton fan cares about anything you just wrote, because we are interested in our club, not the prior success of one of our 39 head coaches/managers.

I realise to you and Swansman he’s a genius for his achievements, but to us he’s a guy that came in, changed our style of football successfully, then stayed for a few years with solid but unspectacular results and no achievements of note, then finally started delivering above-standard results and immediately f***ed off - with our entire coaching staff - to a club who had just signed our player of the season and acquired our director of football equivalent.

You can bring an army of Swedish Potter fans from his time over there to come and praise him and still, none of the Albion fans will give the tiniest shit because he’s irrelevant and was immediately upstaged by his replacement, who led us to our best ever league finish ever, then took us to the top of our European group.

I’m really sorry, but English football supporters care about their club. Players and coaches come and go, but the club remains.

And this is the main supporters forum for the club - not Graham Potter.

 

[Swegulls]

But he’s gone. No Brighton fan cares about anything you just wrote, because we are interested in our club, not the prior success of one of our 39 head coaches/managers.

I realise to you and Swansman he’s a genius for his achievements, but to us he’s a guy that came in, changed our style of football successfully, then stayed for a few years with solid but unspectacular results and no achievements of note, then finally started delivering above-standard results and immediately f***ed off - with our entire coaching staff - to a club who had just signed our player of the season and acquired our director of football equivalent.

You can bring an army of Swedish Potter fans from his time over there to come and praise him and still, none of the Albion fans will give the tiniest shit because he’s irrelevant and was immediately upstaged by his replacement, who led us to our best ever league finish ever, then took us to the top of our European group.

I’m really sorry, but English football supporters care about their club. Players and coaches come and go, but the club remains.

And this is the main supporters forum for the club - not Graham Potter.

Well, that’s a shame then. I started to follow Your team because I liked the way they played under Potter. And my daughter forced me to it…

No stars bought for billions, just good footballers that maybe punched above their level, to some extent because of a good manager. I liked that. And I just found out that I liked to follow a PL team for a while … another world from what I have endured at W12.

 

[BadFish]

I hope it has more to do with common sense than the fact that we come from Sweden.

Anyone who takes a team from the fourth division to European Cup play deserves some respect.

It’s probably harder to make that journey in England but once you're there, in the EL, it's equivalent.

If you lead your team to wins against Hertha Berlin, Galatasaray, PAOK, Arsenal and draw against Atletic Club you cannot be such an idiot as he is often portrayed here.

And, they did it with a fraction of the budget of the aforementioned clubs.

He then got an offer no one would refuse.

Respect

Yep respect for that and I personally wish him the best for the future. Hopefully he can turn west ham around and bring success.

But he isn't our manager anymore so my support and interest in him is only marginally higher than anyone else.

Respect? Yeah, not really much of that, a lot of water has passed under the bridge since his achievements in Sweden.

It's hard to respect the fella.

 

[BadFish]

Well, that’s a shame then. I started to follow Your team because I liked the way they played under Potter. And my daughter forced me to it…

No stars bought for billions, just good footballers that maybe punched above their level, to some extent because of a good manager. I liked that. And I just found out that I liked to follow a PL team for a while … another world from what I have endured at W12.

I would love it if you kept supporting us. But Potter is long gone now.

We have Hurtz though, and he may turn out to be good too. We still have good footballers not bought for billions punching above our weight.

Our identity is more than just Potter. despite what Swanny think, our story is a good one. And our future is bright.

 

[Swegulls]

I would love it if you kept supporting us. But Potter is long gone now.

We have Hurtz though, and he may turn out to be good too. We still have good footballers not bought for billions punching above our weight.

Our identity is more than just Potter. despite what Swanny think, our story is a good one. And our future is bright.

Agree, think Hurz will do fine, he already does. Europe is up for grabs, if not this year hopefully next.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I hope it has more to do with common sense than the fact that we come from Sweden.

Anyone who takes a team from the fourth division to European Cup play deserves some respect.

It’s probably harder to make that journey in England but once you're there, in the EL, it's equivalent.

If you lead your team to wins against Hertha Berlin, Galatasaray, PAOK, Arsenal and draw against Atletic Club you cannot be such an idiot as he is often portrayed here.

And, they did it with a fraction of the budget of the aforementioned clubs.

He then got an offer no one would refuse.

Respect

Some pretty dubious financial goings on at that club that were subsequently discovered though, no?

 

[Justice]

I hope it has more to do with common sense than the fact that we come from Sweden.

Anyone who takes a team from the fourth division to European Cup play deserves some respect.

It’s probably harder to make that journey in England but once you're there, in the EL, it's equivalent.

If you lead your team to wins against Hertha Berlin, Galatasaray, PAOK, Arsenal and draw against Atletic Club you cannot be such an idiot as he is often portrayed here.

And, they did it with a fraction of the budget of the aforementioned clubs.

He then got an offer no one would refuse.

Respect

On a different note there is a lot of grey areas concerning the financials of the little Swedish miracle club powering up the leagues. Maybe not quite the Man City of Sweden although we are on the right path aren’t we?

 

[ManOfSussex]

But he’s gone. No Brighton fan cares about anything you just wrote, because we are interested in our club, not the prior success of one of our 39 head coaches/managers.

I realise to you and Swansman he’s a genius for his achievements, but to us he’s a guy that came in, changed our style of football successfully, then stayed for a few years with solid but unspectacular results and no achievements of note, then finally started delivering above-standard results and immediately f***ed off - with our entire coaching staff - to a club who had just signed our player of the season and acquired our director of football equivalent.

You can bring an army of Swedish Potter fans from his time over there to come and praise him and still, none of the Albion fans will give the tiniest shit because he’s irrelevant and was immediately upstaged by his replacement, who led us to our best ever league finish ever, then took us to the top of our European group.

I’m really sorry, but English football supporters care about their club. Players and coaches come and go, but the club remains.

And this is the main supporters forum for the club - not Graham Potter.

I'm very wary when it comes to Swedes now. Obvious in hindsight though. Just think of 'The Spy Who Loved Me' - if it hadn't been for Roger Moore you'd think Karl Stromberg was just a harmless oddball with lots of money who liked big goldfish instead of actually being an evil Swedish submarine thief instead.

 

[Swegulls]

Some pretty dubious financial goings on at that club that were subsequently discovered though, no?

You’re absolutely right there, but it’s still peanuts. It took them to Allsvenskan and as I mentioned it’s harder in England.

But, when in EL you compete on the same terms as Arsenal and the others. With players no one have ever heard of since (maybe apart from Ghoddos). They wouldn’t even be on the bench at BHA. Job well done by GP.

 

[jcdenton08]

I'm very wary when it comes to Swedes now. Obvious in hindsight though. Just think of 'The Spy Who Loved Me' - if it hadn't been for Roger Moore you'd think Karl Stromberg was just a harmless oddball with lots of money who liked big goldfish instead of actually being an evil Swedish submarine thief instead.

They’re sexy… but I don’t trust them!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Whoa whoa whoa...the level of my waffling is at least of a level to get me a Desmond at Uni.

Beats a Douglas.