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[Albion] We're too passive







Chief Wiggum

New member
Apr 30, 2009
518
Fear and respect are close cousins. You rarely have one without the other. I don't see Potter instilling fear.
 


Motogull

Todd Warrior
Sep 16, 2005
10,481
Their second. I wish we would try things like that.

The table doesn't lie. They know when to burst into speed and make it count whereas it seems to happen more accidentally to us.
 


Surf's Up

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2011
10,435
Here
Re being nice. Well yes, when you saw the "intelligent" fouling Leicester were doing it did make me think, we could be a bit nastier.

Re the intensity. We've got 2 or 3 who can't cover the ground well or don't have the physicality. Not going to name names, I don't need to.

Lamptey coming back in will make a huge difference.

Unfortunately Southampton showed the way to mark Lamptey and it will have been noted.
 


DJ NOBO

Well-known member
Jul 18, 2004
6,816
Wiltshire
Was he nice when he bombed out Duffy, Andone, Murray? Does shouting and screaming do anything to motivate 11 millionaires? Is coaching and improving players like Bissouma and March a better way to progress as our wallet's a bit smaller than most of our competitors?

Exactly.
The Potter too nice/ too boring agenda is nonsense.
We don’t know what he’s really like because he chooses to be guarded in the media.
Not that that’s getting him great results.
 






DJ NOBO

Well-known member
Jul 18, 2004
6,816
Wiltshire
I've theorised about this for years, as I completely agree. I came to the conclusion that that the 'no dickheads' transfer policy ended up leaving us with a squad lacking in personality and quite mentally weak.

The way that the likes of Knocky, Anyone, Duffy ect. were frozen out worsened this (though I would add that I don't think any of them are at the level we need). We lack any sort of swagger about us, and our naivety allows teams to make mistakes against us and go unpunished time and time again. And even though we are too nice, we simultaneously have one of the less good disciplinary records. The lack of character breeds naivety and the naivety breeds recklessness and frustration and the cycle continues. We're complete pushovers.

The signing of Maupay, Lallana has changed this, players with a little bit about them and in the case of lallana, a good leader. But I think that the lack of bite in our squad can only be addressed by a change in recruitment policy.

Though in fairness, even if we were too soft in terms of character, just signing better quality players would at least partly mask that

Genuine question - who at the club said Albion had a no dickheads policy? I always thought it was in some NSC posters’ imaginations.
 






Uh_huh_him

Well-known member
Sep 28, 2011
12,121
LAst night we were on our heels most of the time.

There was one freekick or corner towards the end of the game, where the ball was played towards the back stick.
One of our players knocked it back into the 6 yard box and not a single one of our players made a move towards the ball.
I think it was Vardy who actually got his head to it.

There's quite a lot of that sort of thing going on.
Bissouma and Veltman get properly stuck in.

everyone else, not so much.
 


junior

Well-known member
Dec 1, 2003
6,633
Didsbury, Manchester
I'd like to see Sam Allerdyce come in for the rest of the season and see whether a change in managment style would be the kick up the arse these players need.
 


neilbard

Hedging up
Oct 8, 2013
6,280
I don't disagree but sometimes just wish he would show some raw emotion or passion. It rubs off on both the players and fans.

I loved CH has was a gentleman and a sportsman but he could lose his rag or be a nasty ****er if needed . Potter in my view is just too bloody nice

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zefarelly

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 7, 2003
22,787
Sussex, by the sea
I'd like to see Sam Allerdyce come in for the rest of the season and see whether a change in managment style would be the kick up the arse these players need.

I'd rather get relegated with 10 points.

most of the players would be in tears on antidepressants in a care home if we brought a tough old school manager in :laugh:
 




Clive Walker

Stand Or Fall
Jul 5, 2011
3,590
Brighton
The problem as I see it is that potter is forcing a formation on players to accommodate others. Dunk clearly struggles in a back 3 as does Webster and white. The formation allows lamptey and march to play as wing backs which I think has largely worked.

However if our best player is struggling with the formation in needs looking at. Dunk has been our stand out for 3 seasons and the leakage is costing us. The extra man in midfield may help too.
 




Swansman

Pro-peace
May 13, 2019
22,320
Sweden
Potter does get angry sometimes. Like McBurnie said after some game in 2018:

"The first half was nowhere near good enough and the gaffer has let us know that," said McBurnie.

"He's given us the harsh words we needed and you could see we were a different team in the second half.

"I can vouch that it was the angriest I have seen him.

"He doesn't usually go off like that at all since I've known him.

"But I remember speaking to [assistant manager] Billy Reid when they first came in and he told me he [Potter] is a nice guy, but watch when he does lose his head because he can go off.

"Now I believe what Billy said!


Ken Sema said something similar and told about a training session after ÖFK had lost 5-0, with Potter first telling them how unacceptable it was followed by a 120 minute torture session where he was chilling in a sun chair smiling at them and forcing them to keep running even when they were puking their guts out.

Its a nice man if you do the best you can, any less than that and the players will hear it.

People seem to expect the same from him in interviews etc but you're not going to get that because its not professional, and Potter demands professionalism. ÖFK had lots of players coming and going, if they did not develop quick enough or if they werent professional enough, they were out.

He even sacked their then best player (Ryan Gilligan) the day before a game in 2013 because he tried to shag the wife of one of his teammates. Gilligan was the son of the Nike Academy founder who had given ÖFK players that turned out to be great investments (David Accam and Moon Seon-min), and Potter was of course well aware that sacking Ryan Gilligan would be the end of that partnership.

Its a no-nonsense, demanding manager. The difference between him and his older counterparts, and British culture in general, is that he is not playing the blame game, he is not raging about mistakes, only about players being dickheads or not doing the best they can.
 


mune ni kamome

Well-known member
Jun 5, 2011
2,220
Worthing
I understand about players playing in different positions, learning about themselves and improving as a person and as a player but a successful team has to have a reasonably settled line up with everyone knowing and practicing the plan until you know what your team mate is going to do almost subconsciously
 


The Wizard

Well-known member
Jul 2, 2009
18,399
I thought first 30 minutes we were too open, Leicester hate teams that sit deep and don’t allow them to break with pace, we played into their hands by leaving our weakest player (Burn) exposed and most of us could see a goal coming down that side and ultimately 3 did, before we changed anything which is poor from Potter it must be said, sure Burn was gash but stevie wonder could see Leicester were targeting him and it’s GP job to adjust.

But yes, I agree in general we don’t play with enough intensity, as seen against WB and Burnley at home.
 


severnside gull

Well-known member
May 16, 2007
24,825
By the seaside in West Somerset
We don’t have the players for a back 3 and zonal marking is an abject failure.
First time I’ve been convinced we will go down
 




Wellesley

Well-known member
Jul 24, 2013
4,973
I can't knock Potter personally as it's something I suffer with too. Crippling modesty and I'm just too bloody nice.
 




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