Well Done UKIP.

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

A vote of 27.5% is not an anti eu majority, notwithstanding that there were other anti eu parties receiving a nominal number of votes as well.

 

[cunning fergus]

Whats really new though? We already know a sizeable minority of the UK voting population don't like the EU and want out. One of the two largest parties in the UK is very anti-Europe and has been for a long time.

Whats perhaps remarkable is that for the first time ever a political party has been created with the sole platform of getting out of the EU, and for UKIP in isolation as a party, its a great result. This means that for the first time we can really see the strength of feeling out there. In that context, is 30% of the vote that great for the anti-EU cause? That's 30% of 30% voting, so barely 10% of the British voting public felt that strongly against Europe to go and cast a vote for the only party that wants to remove us from it.

Those who abstain, have indicated neutrality, so are neither pro or anti. Only those who could be bothered to vote count.

That said your analysis if taken more broadly is essentially in tune with the next likely head of the EU Commission, who is indicating that the project will continue to roll on unabated by the results of the election.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27559714

Nonetheless, the good news is that it would appear that for once that meaningful opposition to the a EU is building within the continent, and the solution to the euro crisis, ie deepening political and financial integration in the EZ, will be an even bigger problem with France (in particular) now looking a less committed member of the EU.

If this plays out and the EU cannot fix the problems in the EZ then the game is up, the euro will not be able to function and the whole stinking edifice will collapse from the inside, and maybe we will be left with a customs union (as originally intended).

If we are lucky this could all happen without the need for a UK referendum.

 

[pastafarian]

Yes and those celebrating the UKIP vote should bear this in mind - the BNP vote went down about 6 or 7% so it is likely that about 6% of the UKIP vote is ex BNP. How does that make you all feel?

or some of their vote went to Labour or socialist parties
as intelligent political commentators alluded to

Grow up or give facts.......you look stupid without facts

 

[CheeseRolls]

Those who abstain, have indicated neutrality, so are neither pro or anti. Only those who could be bothered to vote count.

That said your analysis if taken more broadly is essentially in tune with the next likely head of the EU Commission, who is indicating that the project will continue to roll on unabated by the results of the election.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27559714

Nonetheless, the good news is that it would appear that for once that meaningful opposition to the a EU is building within the continent, and the solution to the euro crisis, ie deepening political and financial integration in the EZ, will be an even bigger problem with France (in particular) now looking a less committed member of the EU.

If this plays out and the EU cannot fix the problems in the EZ then the game is up, the euro will not be able to function and the whole stinking edifice will collapse from the inside, and maybe we will be left with a customs union (as originally intended).

If we are lucky this could all happen without the need for a UK referendum.

So what should we expect from our UKIP MEPs now ?
Is there an agenda beyond giving Johnny Foreigner/the EU commission a bloody nose ?
What can realistically be achieved ?

Clearly two thirds of Britain, thinks it doesn't matter, which totally baffles me. Do we need to roll out red button elections ?

Is there a parallel between the success of UKIP and the far right in France, or are the French essentially rejecting, the away with the fairies brand of Socialism, of their own government ?

 

[dougdeep]

A vote of 27.5% is not an anti eu majority, notwithstanding that there were other anti eu parties receiving a nominal number of votes as well.

Yes it is. Just as it is when 35% turn out for a general election or 25% for a stadium referendum.

 

[Garage_Doors]

On the downside the Greens gained a seat.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Is there a parallel between the success of UKIP and the far right in France, or are the French essentially rejecting, the away with the fairies brand of Socialism, of their own government ?

I go to France about 6 times a year as my parents have a house there. You wouldn't believe how unpopular their government is - it makes Thatcher and Blair at the end of the PM'ing look loved. I suspect the NF vote is linked to that.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

On the downside the Greens gained a seat.

On the upside, their share of the B&H vote went down.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Yes, we only need to look at America as an example. Texas has the same currency as Rhode island, and the US dollar has become WORTHLESS.

Britain for the British! :moron:

Oh dear. America, being the same country does not make a good comparison. There are many different cultures there but there is one mainstream defining cultural identity. This allows for a far easier integration of economic migrants from one part to another to satisfy the demands of the labour market. The problem we have in Europe in this regard is that there is no dominant single cultural identity, let alone language.

 

[East Preston Gull]

The ridiculous euro project is over. All over Europe, Left and Right parties have voted to reject the Union. It was forced on us all and now we can watch it tumble. Great day for politics

 

[Deleted member 22389]

So what should we expect from our UKIP MEPs now ?
Is there an agenda beyond giving Johnny Foreigner/the EU commission a bloody nose ?
What can realistically be achieved ?

Clearly two thirds of Britain, thinks it doesn't matter, which totally baffles me. Do we need to roll out red button elections ?

Is there a parallel between the success of UKIP and the far right in France, or are the French essentially rejecting, the away with the fairies brand of Socialism, of their own government ?

 

[pastafarian]

are the French essentially rejecting, the away with the fairies brand of Socialism, of their own government ?

From what i have been told and what i have seen on French TV it would seem the major French beef which has gained much of the support for the Front National is to do with the Euro and the bailouts.This seems to be the major factor with the French and those that dislike the EU,it is closely followed by the issue of immigration.

 

[Leighgull]

Yes, we only need to look at America as an example. Texas has the same currency as Rhode island, and the US dollar has become WORTHLESS.

Britain for the British! :moron:

The dollar? What a useless argument. Rhode Island and Texas are populated by AMERICANS not a bunch of Greeks, spaniards, French and Germans all with their own languages, parliaments, economic policies, and everything else that goes with independent nationhood.

Americans might actually be a load of different people's from different heritages but they identify as Americans first with shared aspiration and shared endeavour. Europe is riven by self interest and wildly different economic competence.

Clearly Brussels would LIKE us to be one country with one government...but it ain't ever going to happen. Thank god.

 

[pastafarian]

On the downside the Greens gained a seat.

im glad about that,was starting to feel a little sorry for them......im glad they got something

 

[Hungry Joe]

So what should we expect from our UKIP MEPs now ?
Is there an agenda beyond giving Johnny Foreigner/the EU commission a bloody nose ?
What can realistically be achieved ?

Clearly two thirds of Britain, thinks it doesn't matter, which totally baffles me. Do we need to roll out red button elections ?

Is there a parallel between the success of UKIP and the far right in France, or are the French essentially rejecting, the away with the fairies brand of Socialism, of their own government ?

UKIP have no pro-agenda, but have been skilful in tapping into the "I don't know what I'm for, but I'm against this" vote, and for that they should get some credit, although the reality is it is more down to the major centre parties failure to get the zeitgeist.

The far right in France have been knocking at the door for far longer than UKIP. Much of France being more rural than the UK has helped the Front Nationale in terms of support for years now, as is the case in large parts of Italy, rural areas tend to be the heartlands of right wing.

The biggest worry for me with the potential demise of the EU is a return to nation state Nationalism coupled with a slow and painful economic recovery, too slow for many to see any light at the end of the tunnel. Of course the world, and Europe, are very different places from the 1930's version, but the shift of the entire political landscape to the right should be a cause for concern for everyone.

 

[Willy Dangle]

Cheesey Peas.........Brilllllliant

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

It is the first time in 100 years that a national election has been won by any other party than the Conservatives or Labour. I think the real story is the Cons and Lib Dems are pretty much ruined in the general election 2015. No matter what Rabbits Cameron and Osborne can pull out of the hat in the next year, it is TOO LATE. They are toast.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

I notice the far right has been elected throughout Europe be very careful what you wish for.... Likely to crack down on disability rights first.

Remember austerity on a massive scale led to the far Right dominating in the 1930s. What may start as a protest against the appalling mainstream parties could be quite sinister.

Ja! You iz right,I have polished my jackboots and dusted off my Tiger Tank...and you vill be the first vun against the wall and shot!

 

[Seagull97]

Maybe we should be out of the EU? But with ukip? Haha you have to be kidding they are the laughing stock of politics and Farage doesn't even create a facade of a decent party he is the biggest plonker of them all!

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Whats perhaps remarkable is that for the first time ever a political party has been created with the sole platform of getting out of the EU, and for UKIP in isolation as a party, its a great result. This means that for the first time we can really see the strength of feeling out there. In that context, is 30% of the vote that great for the anti-EU cause? That's 30% of 30% voting, so barely 10% of the British voting public felt that strongly against Europe to go and cast a vote for the only party that wants to remove us from it.

I think the fact that so many of our electorate have chosen to ignore the euro elections is a damning judgement on the European project. Rightly or wrongly, the whole thing is seen as an irrelevant charade with little or no influence on people's daily lives. I don't share that point of view, although I am Eurosceptic in my view.

I don't think that this election necessarily represents how people would vote in a referendum anyway. Voters from every persuasion would vote either way and not based purely on party politics.