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Well Done UKIP.
- Thread starter dougdeep
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Why? Because he posts his opinion after having first hand experience. A bit of aggressive posting perhaps, but no worse than some that reply.
Footsoldier
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- May 26, 2013
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Two of my friends are black and they know how I feel about mass immigration and they are fine about it. Foreign languages you say, I've backpacked in my youth across Europe, south east Asia, south America, I loved it, seeing different cultures. My problem is mass immigration and I want controlled immigration.
Bevendean Hillbilly
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Whoever suggested the term "lively culture" for hellholes like Bermondsey or Luton is a genius. There's an estate agency role waiting for you!
Well, immigration is at the top of everyone's agenda now I suppose. So UKIP have done their job.
Well, immigration is at the top of everyone's agenda now I suppose. So UKIP have done their job.
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Bermondsey is far from a hellhole, its has parts of it being gentrified now and up until recently was fairly solidly white British, and up until recently its street crime rates were lower than neighbouring areas.
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Still waiting for you to actually answer rather than avoid my points.
Well, let's take a look at this diatribe then shall we...
"Here's a radical thought , how about considering that some or all of the white British in poor areas might not WANT their f***ing cultures 'integrated' or 'brought together' with another one , have you seen the 'culture' that Bangladeshis bring with them from rural sylhet, or puntland in somalia ? I have first bloody hand, and there's not a lot there I'd want to bring into my family Ican tell you , its a bit sodding different from getting a 'wonderful recipe for focaccia ' from the lovely Italian family next door, your arrogance in deciding that cultures need to be merged or integrated , which is something we've NEVER been asked about is astonishing, its only compounded by the fact your location means you are virtually unaffected by the very policies you endorse."
Line by line.
Here's a radical thought , how about considering that some or all of the white British in poor areas might not WANT their f***ing cultures 'integrated' or 'brought together' with another one - yes, I agree. I don't think I have ever suggested people should be forced together.
have you seen the 'culture' that Bangladeshis bring with them from rural sylhet, or puntland in somalia ? - no, but one assumes that many people setting our strategy when it comes to nuclear proliferation haven't been the victim of an atom bomb strike, so can I still participate in this debate please?
I have first bloody hand, and there's not a lot there I'd want to bring into my family Ican tell you - not sure what your point is, however, referring to my original point, a failure in approach has led to communities be fractured by groups/tribes that don't integrate (not good), and equally we've allowed - or forced through an absence of policy - for migrating communities settle en mass creating enclaves. This isn't a UK problem - you'll find it in Germany with the Turkish community for example.
its a bit sodding different from getting a 'wonderful recipe for focaccia ' from the lovely Italian family next door - yes it is, and I do like focaccia bread
your arrogance in deciding that cultures need to be merged or integrated - I don't think I've stated anywhere that I think we should force integration. I believe I that the current problems are the result of a poor approach towards multiculturalism and there has to be a better answer. Perhaps if we can help our children integrate better we'll be able to deal with the problems far better. And an approach to solving these issues has to have the full support and commitment of all parts of the community.
which is something we've NEVER been asked about is astonishing, - we're asked every 4/5 years about it. You can raise it with your MP at any time. So, whilst there hasn't been a referendum, as an electorate we don't have to be mute about these issues.
its only compounded by the fact your location means you are virtually unaffected by the very policies you endorse - I work in inner city London. I employ people from right across the cultural spectrum. I may not live in inner city London, but I'm not living in some hamlet in Devon. In addition, my work means I'm often visiting workers in all the major cities, so I'm not some Brighton-based keyboard warrior. Again, even if I was, regardless of the experience, then reading on such matters should still entitle me to an opinion. "Or do you think reading is a waste of time?"
Lastly, we are where we are. We can't turn back the clock. We need to look at answers that will take us forward. I think this country has benefitted from immigration. I think it can still benefit from immigration. I don't think immigration and the EU are the cause of the symptoms which are affecting people.
Pretty pink fairy
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give it a rest Hamilton it's all ready started GATED communities INNER city GHETTOS, it's all there to be seen or haven't you noticed, you said you wanted to dish out the same treatment
if telling the truth's a problem for you ................... oh well 
regards
DR
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Is the right Answer IMHO, Immigration is a smokescreen the powers that be are happy to use. A smoke screen that works a treat, divide and rule.
I suspect that all the reasons given on this thread for multiculturalism not working can be eased by an increase in the trickle from our trickle down economy and more balance in the distribution of wealth. People can be far more accommodating when they feel they have a little to spare.
I also wonder if it is largely due to economic factors that so many migrants end up in the same place in the first place. So if areas had more equitable wealth and jobs then we could improve the distribution of migrants. Less 'no go areas', more integration and less pressure on underfunded and under resourced services (which of course will be better funded anyway)
Here lies the problem with UKIP, they are putting the focus of peoples problems onto immigration without considering the other factors that contribute to them. Immigration is clearly a problem for many people but solving it is not (IMHO) going to improve people's quality of life by a huge amount.
It is interesting that this debate continues to center around the areas where multiculturalism doesn't work without really considering the other factors that may be causing some of the problems.
On November 1 2014 we have a major problem ! The British parliament loses the right to legislate over us in 43 very important areas, the British parliament will have to seek approval from the EU for any laws they wish to pass on those 43 areas. The British Parliament also loses the right of veto over those areas. Those areas are as follows:
1)Administrative cooperation, 2)Asylum, 3)Border Controls, 4)Citizens initiative regulations, 5)Civil Protection, 6)Committee of the regions, 7)Common Defence Policy, 8)Crime prevention incentives, 9)Criminal judicial cooperation, 10)Criminal Law,
11)Culture, 12)Diplomatic judicial cooperation, 13)Economic Social Committee, 14) Emergency International aid, 15)Energy, 16)EU Budget, 17)Eurojust, 18)European Central Bank, 19)European Court of Justice, 20)Europol,
21)Eurozone external representation, 22)Foreign Affairs High Representation Election, 23)Freedom of Movement of Workers, 24)Freedom to Establish a Business, 25)Freedom, Security, Justice, cooperation & evaluation policy, 26)Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy, 27)General economic interest services, 28)Humanitarian Aid, 29)Immigration, 30)Intellectual property,
31) Organisation of the Council of the EU, 32)Police cooperation, 33)President of the European Council election, 34)Response to natural disaster & terrorism, 35)Rules concerning the Armaments Agency, 36)Self-employment rights, 37)Social Security Unanimity, 38)Space, 39)Sport, 40)Structural & Cohesion Funds,
41)Tourism, 42)Transport, 43)Withdrawal of a member state.
1)Administrative cooperation, 2)Asylum, 3)Border Controls, 4)Citizens initiative regulations, 5)Civil Protection, 6)Committee of the regions, 7)Common Defence Policy, 8)Crime prevention incentives, 9)Criminal judicial cooperation, 10)Criminal Law,
11)Culture, 12)Diplomatic judicial cooperation, 13)Economic Social Committee, 14) Emergency International aid, 15)Energy, 16)EU Budget, 17)Eurojust, 18)European Central Bank, 19)European Court of Justice, 20)Europol,
21)Eurozone external representation, 22)Foreign Affairs High Representation Election, 23)Freedom of Movement of Workers, 24)Freedom to Establish a Business, 25)Freedom, Security, Justice, cooperation & evaluation policy, 26)Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy, 27)General economic interest services, 28)Humanitarian Aid, 29)Immigration, 30)Intellectual property,
31) Organisation of the Council of the EU, 32)Police cooperation, 33)President of the European Council election, 34)Response to natural disaster & terrorism, 35)Rules concerning the Armaments Agency, 36)Self-employment rights, 37)Social Security Unanimity, 38)Space, 39)Sport, 40)Structural & Cohesion Funds,
41)Tourism, 42)Transport, 43)Withdrawal of a member state.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Does this mean that there is no majority group in London? Or do you split ethnicity into two groups 'White British' and 'others'?
brighton fella
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- Mar 20, 2009
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true Bermondsey's about the only area left in London to not have been completely taken over.. though regrettably its only a matter of time before it becomes just another statistic to add to londons list.
brighton fella
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do you think it is acceptable to force integration in to a society without public say ? dearie me and you wonder why there is a backlash coming from the right !!
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Sounds a bit like the empire to me.
Lets face it this integration has been going on for a very longtime. I think it is no coincidence that this backlash has coincided with recession, austerity measures and people not having a pot to piss in.
Like I have said in previous posts i beleive that the solutions to these problems are not going to be found by endlessly discussing immigration and ignoring all the other factors that contribute to peoples shitty quality of life.
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brighton fella
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SOUNDS A BIT LIKE THE EMPIRE TO ME "exactly fella" our empire and all what went with it is something what all of you lefties detest is it not, so why be in favour of forcing something similar upon the people of TODAY ??
do you ever ask yourself why the right will always argue their case in a more aggressive tongue than that of you ? give it a long hard think it aint rocket science.
He's right in saying that White British make up less than 50% of the population, but obviously they're still the majority (or the biggest minority depending on how you want to present it).
How is the British Empire in anyway comparable to immigration to Britain today?
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Yes i agree, I just thought it was an interesting spin during a debate about immigration.
24% of people in London are non UK nationals which assumes that 76% are UK nationals.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-20680565
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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You may have to enlighten me here, although I disagree with the basis of your question as I think it is a crude generalisation. I know many people with right wing politics who can have a discussion without resorting to anger or aggression.
FWIW I would consider my politics fairly central and do not detest the empire (I can't speak for the other 'lefties' as again you have made a crude generalisation).