Well done Eric Pickles

[Buzzer]

If the ID is nothing more than what's required to collect a letter from the Post Office then I'm all for it but if it involves people having to fork out for specific ID then as others have said, I worry about the motives behind this. Postal voting fraud seems to be where the bulk of the problem lies anyway so the libertarian in me is doubly suspicious.

 

[Ernest]

Idiot! Common ways in flats, young people still living at home who can't be bothered to vote and dad nicks their slip!

I wish someone would NICK yours as you are too STUPID to vote

 

[Chicken Run]

I wish someone would NICK yours as you are too STUPID to vote

And your obviously too stupid to work out how to put someone on ignore as I'm sure I was on your list you soppy oxygen stealer!

 

[The Clamp]

And weak-minded liberals start pontificating about subjects they know the sum of sweet-fkall about.How many muslim voters in your constituency?

I'm sure we had one at one time but he got annoyed with everyone in our village rubbing him for luck so I think he moved to Bradford.

 

[The Clamp]

And weak-minded liberals start pontificating about subjects they know the sum of sweet-fkall about.How many muslim voters in your constituency?

Additionally, while the UK's Muslim population remains at a reasonable 3.3% I'm not going to lose much sleep over them taking over by a using the democratic process.

 

[BigGully]

Additionally, while the UK's Muslim population remains at a reasonable 3.3% I'm not going to lose much sleep over them taking over by a using the democratic process.

Unless of course you might be a minority non-muslim living within a majorative muslim area no doubt, or perhaps you are recommending the virtues of 'white flight' or UK inward looking religious dominant enclaves within some of our cities, yeah good one.

 

[The Clamp]

Unless of course you might be a minority non-muslim living within a majorative muslim area no doubt, or perhaps you are recommending the virtues of 'white flight' or UK inward looking religious dominant enclaves within some of our cities, yeah good one.

I take that point. However any elected Muslim would still have to abide by the laws of the UK. Either way, I don't think voting fraud is a problem so again, I'm not that concerned.
Out of interest, which constituencies have a majority Muslim electorate? Serious question.

 

[BigGully]

I take that point. However any elected Muslim would still have to abide by the laws of the UK. Either way, I don't think voting fraud is a problem so again, I'm not that concerned.
Out of interest, which constituencies have a majority Muslim electorate? Serious question.

I do not know, my point was in response to electoral fraud, if as has been intimated there seems a link between it and muslims communities, then your point of 'only 3.3% muslims overall of our population (I am sure it is more) doesnt really stack up.

Your response seems to be the inevitable response of the left that even if some actions that should be seen as unacceptable and involves a likelyhood of ethnic or religious involvement to then try to discredit it, irrespective of its accuracy.

Unless of course if they are whte, yes white is ok.

 

[The Clamp]

I do not know, my point was in response to electoral fraud, if as has been intimated there seems a link between it and muslims communities, then your point of 'only 3.3% muslims overall of our population (I am sure it is more) doesnt really stack up.

Your response seems to be the inevitable response of the left that even if some actions that should be seen as unacceptable and involves a likelyhood of ethnic or religious involvement to then try to discredit it, irrespective of its accuracy.

Unless of course if they are whte, yes white is ok.

Wrong on a few counts there. No, I don't deem voting fraud acceptable on any level in any sector of any community. Just to be clear.

The fact that you don't know if there are any Muslim majority constituencies makes your argument quite weak.

I must correct myself. There is a 4.5 % Muslim population in the UK.

 

[spring hall convert]

Out of interest, which constituencies have a majority Muslim electorate?

There are some council wards, the importance of which is then exacerbated by low turnouts in council elections.

Just about double figures iirc.

On a national constituency level, none

Hackney is often quoted as an area exemplifying this problem and if you are really interested in its make up you can see it here under 'facts and figures.' (2011 Census)

http://hackney.gov.uk/population

14.1% Muslim, 75.9% English as main langauge spoken.
55% white, 40% white British/ Irish.

 

[The Clamp]

There are some council wards, the importance of which is then exacerbated by low turnouts in council elections.

Just about double figures iirc.

On a national constituency level, none

Hackney is often quoted as an area exemplifying this problem and if you are really interested in its make up you can see it here under 'facts and figures.' (2011 Census)

http://hackney.gov.uk/population

14.1% Muslim, 75.9% English as main langauge spoken.
55% white, 40% white British/ Irish.

Thank you for that. I find opinions are much better when based on the facts.

 

[The Clamp]

There are some council wards, the importance of which is then exacerbated by low turnouts in council elections.

Just about double figures iirc.

On a national constituency level, none

Hackney is often quoted as an area exemplifying this problem and if you are really interested in its make up you can see it here under 'facts and figures.' (2011 Census)

http://hackney.gov.uk/population

14.1% Muslim, 75.9% English as main langauge spoken.
55% white, 40% white British/ Irish.

Thank you for that. I find opinions are much better when based on the facts.

 

[BigGully]

Thank you for that. I find opinions are much better when based on the facts.

So why have you been freely commenting if you yourself didnt know the facts ..........................

 

[spring hall convert]

Thank you for that. I find opinions are much better when based on the facts.

Anyone can spin it either way to suit them though. Hackney does have a % population of muslims over three times the national average. There are undoubtedly areas of Hackney that have a lot of muslims.

Stats can be as problematic as uniformed opinion to be honest. Look at the Baldock doesn't score enough mob on here, quoting goals to games....

(Think I might be suffering from some 'post-truth' inspired depression.)

 

[The Clamp]

So why have you been freely commenting if you yourself didnt know the facts ..........................

The point is I took time to find them out. You should give it a go!

 

[happypig]

Would this be the same type that an earlier poster suggested does all the bills and everything is in his name?

If you mean my post :

What about people who don't have a passport or driving license ? My mate's mrs has neither; all the bills are in his name too.

Then, no, he's not an abusive, controlling misogynist, his wife has mental health issues so he does everything because she finds it too difficult. She won't drive and is scared of flying.

 

[mikeyjh]

I assume that Pickles and those right minded individuals on here supporting his efforts to 'ensure the integrity of elections' are also fully behind the ongoing criminal investigation into Tory electoral fraud at the 2015 election and at by elections prior to this?

 

[Two Professors]

The point is I took time to find them out. You should give it a go!

I'm sure if you googled Labour Party electoral fraud you would find some fine examples of the genre!As for moslem majority areas,I'm sure away fans will know what the areas around St Andrews are like.Small Heath,Bordesley Green,Alum Rock have all had problems.Here are a couple of examples to start you off;

 

[halbpro]

Realistically there should be a free ID scheme that's widely accepted, regardless of whether or not it's required to vote. The Citizen Card scheme is reasonably cheap at £15, but I've had problems using it in the past. A driving licence is £34 if you apply online, which is reasonable for many, but I fully accept that there are a good number of people who would find this too much for an ID card.

However, if ID is going to be required for voting, then there should be an ID card that is both free and easy to get online, by post or in person at, for example, your local council's electoral office. Even if it only allowed you to vote and other ID was required in other situations, such a scheme is vital if ID is to become mandatory to exercise a right that everyone has. Putting any limitations on that is a dangerous thing in my opinion, and edging towards the disenfranchisement of minorities that has been seen in America.

 

[The Clamp]

I'm sure if you googled Labour Party electoral fraud you would find some fine examples of the genre!As for moslem majority areas,I'm sure away fans will know what the areas around St Andrews are like.Small Heath,Bordesley Green,Alum Rock have all had problems.Here are a couple of examples to start you off;
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Yes, I recall that vote rigging debacle. Terrible business.