[News] Well done boris!!!

[RossyG]

That long eh

I heard a rumour years ago that it was.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

I get where you are coming from up to a point, but I also think that:
1. The way the Government has dealt with it all so far has not been necessarily the best - Lockdown too late, Boris still shaking hands with people when he shouldn't have been, not having enough PPE stocks BEFORE anyone had heard of Covid-19, let alone being in the thick of it.
2. It is just possible that a labour government - even under Corbyn - might have taken it more seriously and made better decisions.

I am sick and tired of people carping at press criticism of the government and saying they are doing their best. I fully support all that they are doing to deal with a terrible situation, but it is government decisions which have got us there - well on the way to having the worst casualty figures in Europe.

And even now, when they have said that deaths in care homes will be included in the daily mortality figures, there was a FT journalist on the radio this morning pointing out that this will be deaths of people WHO HAVE TESTED POSITIVE, when most of those who have died in care homes probably from Covid-19 will not have been tested. Lies, damned lies and statistics.

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[Icy Gull]

I get where you are coming from up to a point, but I also think that:
1. The way the Government has dealt with it all so far has not been necessarily the best - Lockdown too late, Boris still shaking hands with people when he shouldn't have been, not having enough PPE stocks BEFORE anyone had heard of Covid-19, let alone being in the thick of it.
2. It is just possible that a labour government - even under Corbyn - might have taken it more seriously and made better decisions.

I am sick and tired of people carping at press criticism of the government and saying they are doing their best. I fully support all that they are doing to deal with a terrible situation, but it is government decisions which have got us there - well on the way to having the worst casualty figures in Europe.

And even now, when they have said that deaths in care homes will be included in the daily mortality figures, there was a FT journalist on the radio this morning pointing out that this will be deaths of people WHO HAVE TESTED POSITIVE, when most of those who have died in care homes probably from Covid-19 will not have been tested. Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Who knows? It seems that Labour supporters are convinced things would have been better, maybe they would maybe they wouldn’t. Impossible to know but it’s not rocket science to realise that the political leanings would still have influenced how people are likely to have reacted.

Quite what Corbyn would have brought to the party we will never know.

I am just saddened that opinions are so influenced by political leanings

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Do you remember when Ulrika was a weather girl and every man in the country had the hots for her?

Yes.

I also remember this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db6WHtNV5-I

 

[Chicken Run]

Who knows? It seems that Labour supporters are convinced things would have been better, maybe they would maybe they wouldn’t. Impossible to know but it’s not rocket science to realise that the political leanings would still have influenced how people are likely to have reacted.

Quite what Corbyn would have brought to the party we will never know.

I am just saddened that opinions are so influenced by political leanings

The rabid dribbling Labour Party supporters or anyone but a Tory Government mob wouldn’t have you believe anything else, I’m amazed you didn’t know it, these people are not a true reflection of mainstream society.


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[Icy Gull]

The rabid dribbling Labour Party supporters or anyone but a Tory Government mob wouldn’t have you believe anything else, I’m amazed you didn’t know it, these people are not a true reflection of mainstream society.


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Yeah but NSC is the home of the lefty

Some of our brightest and most articulate posters are also lefties I accept!

 

[Baker lite]

The rabid dribbling Labour Party supporters or anyone but a Tory Government mob wouldn’t have you believe anything else, I’m amazed you didn’t know it, these people are not a true reflection of mainstream society.


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I think it must be common knowledge, if Jezzbolah and the Quartermaster had obtained the keys to No10 the fatality rate would be in the hundreds, a lot of people on Facebook say so and they are usually correct...


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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Who knows? It seems that Labour supporters are convinced things would have been better, maybe they would maybe they wouldn’t. Impossible to know but it’s not rocket science to realise that the political leanings would still have influenced how people are likely to have reacted.

Quite what Corbyn would have brought to the party we will never know.

I am just saddened that opinions are so influenced by political leanings

I think that's rather unfair. I am almost inclined to suggest that by saying that you are simply exercising your own political leanings.

I am a labour supporter (by your definition). I have never said labour would have handled this better. I don't recall anyone saying so.

But that doesn't stop people from criticising the way Boris has handled it if they feel inclined.

As it happens I have no problem with the way Boris has handled it. I consider Boris to be a smooth talking moral vacuum but I'll save my opprobrium (if I have any) for after the dust has settled and the facts are known.

One thing I am sure of - if we had gone into lockdown immediately there would have been chaos and carnage and civil disobedience and Chinese takeway burning of a sort that would make what we actually had (the occasional idiot licking food, some nobs especially in the gammony areas of the midlands and north ignoring social distancing, and the occasional assault on people of oriental aspect) look tame.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Who knows? It seems that Labour supporters are convinced things would have been better, maybe they would maybe they wouldn’t. Impossible to know but it’s not rocket science to realise that the political leanings would still have influenced how people are likely to have reacted.

Quite what Corbyn would have brought to the party we will never know.

I am just saddened that opinions are so influenced by political leanings

Corbyn might have done it better. I'm not saying he would have done it better.

In terms of political leanings, in dealing with current events - i.e since decisions were having to be made about lockdown, I would comment that I think Theresa May would have done it better, Cameron might have done it better, and even John Major would have done it better.…… and I didn't vote for any of them. I hate to say it but I think that Thatcher would have done it better.

Cameron and May obviously contributed to the weak situation we found ourselves in at the beginning of the crisis (austerity, running down public services etc) but with Major and Thatcher we might not have been in as bad a position to start with in terms of PPE procurement etc.

So I don't think it is all down to political leanings!

 

[Icy Gull]

I think that's rather unfair. I am almost inclined to suggest that by saying that you are simply exercising your own political leanings.

I am a labour supporter (by your definition). I have never said labour would have handled this better. I don't recall anyone saying so.

But that doesn't stop people from criticising the way Boris has handled it if they feel inclined.

As it happens I have no problem with the way Boris has handled it. I consider Boris to be a smooth talking moral vacuum but I'll save my opprobrium (if I have any) for after the dust has settled and the facts are known.

One thing I am sure of - if we had gone into lockdown immediately there would have been chaos and carnage and civil disobedience and Chinese takeway burning of a sort that would make what we actually had (the occasional idiot licking food, some nobs especially in the gammony areas of the midlands and north ignoring social distancing, and the occasional assault on people of oriental aspect) look tame.

Fair comment

 

[RossyG]

As “congratulations on the birth of your baby” threads go, this ones pretty weird.

 

[Icy Gull]

Corbyn might have done it better. I'm not saying he would have done it better.

In terms of political leanings, in dealing with current events - i.e since decisions were having to be made about lockdown, I would comment that I think Theresa May would have done it better, Cameron might have done it better, and even John Major would have done it better.…… and I didn't vote for any of them. I hate to say it but I think that Thatcher would have done it better.

Cameron and May obviously contributed to the weak situation we found ourselves in at the beginning of the crisis (austerity, running down public services etc) but with Major and Thatcher we might not have been in as bad a position to start with in terms of PPE procurement etc.

So I don't think it is all down to political leanings!

Again, fair comment.

 

[Palacefinder General]

Yeah but NSC is the home of the lefty

Some of our brightest and most articulate posters are also lefties I accept!

And again that narrow-minded assumption that people who abhor Johnson on moralistic grounds are by default Labour voters, or ‘lefties’ as you so eloquently put it.

 

[Icy Gull]

And again that narrow-minded assumption that people who abhor Johnson on moralistic grounds are by default Labour voters, or ‘lefties’ as you so eloquently put it.

I wasn’t thinking of you as one of the more articulate or brighter ones

More as a confrontational one

 

[Durlston]

Not forgetting it's the women who do all the hard work of producing a baby. Well done Boris for 94 seconds of work.

94 seconds of ejaculating spunk?

He must have balls like watermelons, the lucky fella.

 

[dazzer6666]

Corbyn might have done it better. I'm not saying he would have done it better.

In terms of political leanings, in dealing with current events - i.e since decisions were having to be made about lockdown, I would comment that I think Theresa May would have done it better, Cameron might have done it better, and even John Major would have done it better.…… and I didn't vote for any of them. I hate to say it but I think that Thatcher would have done it better.

Cameron and May obviously contributed to the weak situation we found ourselves in at the beginning of the crisis (austerity, running down public services etc) but with Major and Thatcher we might not have been in as bad a position to start with in terms of PPE procurement etc.

So I don't think it is all down to political leanings!

Problem is, as your post demonstrates, everything about what others might have done is supposition and not fact - might, think, could have, might not have etc. Everyone can adapt the narrative to fit their political agenda. I didn't vote last time ('none of the above' would have been my choice), I know this lot have made some pretty big mistakes but also think they will have been under immense stress, received multiple conflicting pieces of advice at every stage, had to compete with virtually every country globally for limited resources, lost a leader for 2 weeks and managed to a whole ton of positive stuff which gets no credit or airtime as the opposers and most of the press are always looking for any negative aspect to exploit and score points (in the same way if we beat Man City 4-1, we'd have a whole series of threads about Maty making a mistake for their consolation goal - come to think of it, would probably be the same posters )

 

[Napper]

nice timing. Media will be having him walking on water soon

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Any news on the name .. Covid (boy) Corona (girl) whiff whaff Johnson?

Whiff Whaff Johnson has an appealing ring to it. I'd vote for Boris if he named his child that.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Problem is, as your post demonstrates, everything about what others might have done is supposition and not fact - might, think, could have, might not have etc. Everyone can adapt the narrative to fit their political agenda. I didn't vote last time ('none of the above' would have been my choice), I know this lot have made some pretty big mistakes but also think they will have been under immense stress, received multiple conflicting pieces of advice at every stage, had to compete with virtually every country globally for limited resources, lost a leader for 2 weeks and managed to a whole ton of positive stuff which gets no credit or airtime as the opposers and most of the press are always looking for any negative aspect to exploit and score points (in the same way if we beat Man City 4-1, we'd have a whole series of threads about Maty making a mistake for their consolation goal - come to think of it, would probably be the same posters )

I totally agree! I was just trying to answer the "what people think/say will always be dictated by their political leanings" point. One can recognise that, even though you don't like politician X, they would have dealt with this well.

 

[jamie (not that one)]

Wahaaaaay, cannot beat a bit of racism thrown into a positive news thread, nice one, you must very proud.

Gammon is a race now? I look forward to seeing it on the next census.