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carlzeiss

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...old-girl-Austria-tries-avoid-extradition.html

Afghan refugee who 'drugged, raped and murdered 13-year-old girl in Austria before crossing the Channel to Britain under a false name' tries to use legal technicality in bid to stay in UK, court hears

Rasuili Zubaidullah, 23, is accused of the rape and murder of Leonie Walner, 13
He is said to have killed her in Austria before crossing into the UK weeks later
Lawyer tried to get extradition thrown out at Westminster court hearing today

Jonathan Swain, prosecuting told the court: 'This case relates to a warrant issued by Austrian authorities on 29 July this year. This was certified by the National Crime Agency a day later.

'Zubaidullah is suspected of committing two offences on 25 and 26 June last year, which are described as a willful collaboration with three named people.

'He coerced the alleged victim by force and got her to engage in and acquiesce to sexual intercourse by force.

'He gave her seven ecstasy pills before having vaginal intercourse with her.

'It is said the victim was grabbed and choked until she was unable to breathe and suffocated, and therefore she ultimately died.

'The second charge relates to the fact he had sex with her when she was under 14 years old.'

His lawyer Ben Keith objected to extradition under Section 12A of the Extradition Act 2003, claiming the Austrian authorities had not yet decided to charge Zubiadullah.

He said: 'The issue is whether this case is in fact going to proceed to prosecution and whether this defendant is going to be prosecuted.

'The court could request further information, or it could discharge this case.

'We say the fact Austrian authorities have tried to interview this defendant is evidence that the reason they have not progressed this far is not because the defendant is not in the country, but because he is still at the investigation stage.

'There is enough information to show no decision has been made to charge him.'

District Judge Michael Snow deferred judgement until January 12, to give his lawyer- who is isolating because of the pandemic - time to have an in-person conference with Zubaidullah to discuss whether to appeal if it is decided he should return to Austria.
 


Chicken Run

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Jul 17, 2003
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...old-girl-Austria-tries-avoid-extradition.html

Afghan refugee who 'drugged, raped and murdered 13-year-old girl in Austria before crossing the Channel to Britain under a false name' tries to use legal technicality in bid to stay in UK, court hears

Rasuili Zubaidullah, 23, is accused of the rape and murder of Leonie Walner, 13
He is said to have killed her in Austria before crossing into the UK weeks later
Lawyer tried to get extradition thrown out at Westminster court hearing today

Jonathan Swain, prosecuting told the court: 'This case relates to a warrant issued by Austrian authorities on 29 July this year. This was certified by the National Crime Agency a day later.

'Zubaidullah is suspected of committing two offences on 25 and 26 June last year, which are described as a willful collaboration with three named people.

'He coerced the alleged victim by force and got her to engage in and acquiesce to sexual intercourse by force.

'He gave her seven ecstasy pills before having vaginal intercourse with her.

'It is said the victim was grabbed and choked until she was unable to breathe and suffocated, and therefore she ultimately died.

'The second charge relates to the fact he had sex with her when she was under 14 years old.'

His lawyer Ben Keith objected to extradition under Section 12A of the Extradition Act 2003, claiming the Austrian authorities had not yet decided to charge Zubiadullah.

He said: 'The issue is whether this case is in fact going to proceed to prosecution and whether this defendant is going to be prosecuted.

'The court could request further information, or it could discharge this case.

'We say the fact Austrian authorities have tried to interview this defendant is evidence that the reason they have not progressed this far is not because the defendant is not in the country, but because he is still at the investigation stage.

'There is enough information to show no decision has been made to charge him.'

District Judge Michael Snow deferred judgement until January 12, to give his lawyer- who is isolating because of the pandemic - time to have an in-person conference with Zubaidullah to discuss whether to appeal if it is decided he should return to Austria.

I hope Ben Keith rots in hell for defending this piece of shit, I’d love to drive him back to Austria to face justice, I’m not sure he’d arrive mind, filthy scum, he gives immigrants a bad name, maybe he should be stoned to death?


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Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
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I hope Ben Keith rots in hell for defending this piece of shit, I’d love to drive him back to Austria to face justice, I’m not sure he’d arrive mind, filthy scum, he gives immigrants a bad name, maybe he should be stoned to death?

The very foundation of our democracy, our justice system is that everyone is entitled to a defense. Vilifying a lawyer for carrying out that duty is utterly ridiculous. It’s as if some of you don’t realise you’re attacking the very principles and freedoms of this country that extremists look to attack, like you’re helping them do that job.
 


Lever

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Feb 6, 2019
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The very foundation of our democracy, our justice system is that everyone is entitled to a defense. Vilifying a lawyer for carrying out that duty is utterly ridiculous. It’s as if some of you don’t realise you’re attacking the very principles and freedoms of this country that extremists look to attack, like you’re helping them do that job.

You're right - and the alternative is lawlessness and mob lynchings.... it's not a difficult concept to grasp.
 








Randy McNob

> > > > > > Cardiff > > > > >
Jun 13, 2020
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You're right - and the alternative is lawlessness and mob lynchings.... it's not a difficult concept to grasp.

we can't have that especially when we have the same voices object to mob rule on the statues thread
 


nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Gods country fortnightly
I hope Ben Keith rots in hell for defending this piece of shit, I’d love to drive him back to Austria to face justice, I’m not sure he’d arrive mind, filthy scum, he gives immigrants a bad name, maybe he should be stoned to death?


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You can't make democracy up as you go along....
 








WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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At no point did I ever think that, of course not, but I can still hope the Barrister rots in hell can I?


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Why stop at him ?

Surely every Barrister who has defended a child killer, police killer, child abuser, murderer, rapist, torturer, wife beater, GBH'er, statue destroyer etc should 'rot in hell'.

Why on earth are these people allowed legal representation in the first place ? :facepalm:
 




tip top

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Jun 27, 2007
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dunno I'm lost
I have been following these exchanges for a decade or more, now, (and engaging in quite a few). I have come to the conclusion that although PPF appears to be quite angry about illegal immigrants, he's not much bothered about what other people think, and has no more agenda other than to say what he thinks at any given moment.

I don't find that particularly engaging (I prefer to have a nice chat with people) but it is what it is.

A bloke used to go down our pub 20 years ago. Always cheerful, not very bright, happy and relaxed casual racism and sexism, no offense meant, socialism obviously wrong but, hey ho, kind of lad. Struggled to keep up with any sort of complex conversation ('if this then that so the other' sort of business). Thought a pharmacologist was an exotic farmer. If he didn't get it, he didn't really mind. Very secure in himself. Sadly, eventually the rest of us just stopped talking to him and he stopped visiting the pub unless some live music was on.

Most of PPF's posts are more than 2 standard deviations from the mean so I've decided to just leave it. It's too easy to mock, and most of the mocking goes over his head, and he really isn't bothered about it, so what's the point?

I personally wouldn't bother posting on a board where there are so many people who want to give me a metaphorical defenestration, and I still can't help feeling the old boy is a sort of middle-aged Cartman, but (and this may sound a bit controversial) I genuinely think he thinks he means well :shrug:

Anyway, as the strapline of NSC indicates, we can all say what we want as long as we don't stoop below the threshold defined by the site owner and his moderators. I am well aware that there are plenty who think I'm a boring, patronizing, condescending old windbag, and I'm not going to let that cramp my style :wink: :thumbsup:

I think you've surpassed the boring, patronising, condescending.man that you are.

What you have just revealed about yourself in your post, is that you are a snob and a bigot.

Those less 'educated' than you and those upon the high horse looking down on 'the little idiot'.

You should be thoroughly ashamed.

Love a ' Thicke down ve pub'.
 


Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
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Jul 17, 2003
19,811
Valley of Hangleton
Why stop at him ?

Surely every Barrister who has defended a child killer, police killer, child abuser, murderer, rapist, torturer, wife beater, GBH'er, statue destroyer etc should 'rot in hell'.

Why on earth are these people allowed legal representation in the first place ? :facepalm:

Statue destroyer?, now you’re being facetious, that’s not like you [emoji2357]

Anyway I’m ****ed if I’m going to waste anymore time this evening talking to you, dinner awaits [emoji112]
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WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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Statue destroyer?, now you’re being facetious, that’s not like you [emoji2357]

I am sorry, but your post was pretty stupid and that's not like you :wink:

Statue destroyer?, now you’re being facetious, that’s not like you [emoji2357]

Anyway I’m ****ed if I’m going to waste anymore time this evening talking to you, dinner awaits [emoji112]

Oh, you edited your post, enjoy your chicken bucket :thumbsup:
 
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Jan 30, 2008
31,981
I think you've surpassed the boring, patronising, condescending.man that you are.

What you have just revealed about yourself in your post, is that you are a snob and a bigot.

Those less 'educated' than you and those upon the high horse looking down on 'the little idiot'.

You should be thoroughly ashamed.

Love a ' Thicke down ve pub'.

He's like Jesus preaching too his disciples for some on here


Regards
DF
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Successful campaign to protect the RNLI & other seafarers.

Seafarers will be exempted from criminal prosecution for helping rescue people at sea, following a successful campaign by Nautilus International, with assistance from Maritime UK (@MaritimeUK) and the UK Chamber of Shipping (@ukshipping)
 


Jan 30, 2008
31,981
Successful campaign to protect the RNLI & other seafarers.

Seafarers will be exempted from criminal prosecution for helping rescue people at sea, following a successful campaign by Nautilus International, with assistance from Maritime UK (@MaritimeUK) and the UK Chamber of Shipping (@ukshipping)

Does that include wind surfers and paddle boarders



Regards
DF
 
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