Welcoming refugees. Well done Brits!

[Lever]

here's a problem, firstly this is based on those that are either caught or do present themselves. there seems an assumption that all those crossing do so. secondly, during the week have heard a half dozen migrants speak and every one of them spoke of wanting to make a better life, education, provide for their family, they want to work. i say good for them, but it does rather run counter to the not economic migrants story.

im baffled why anyone would leave the safety of Greece, Italy, Spain, Germany, even France, and risk thier life again. obviously they think their opportunities here are better than those places, again contrary to many opinions of this country.

With regard to the first highlighted comment, I don't recognise the reasons for coming to the UK as a simple dichotomy in the way you do, i.e. migrants are coming over because they are being persecuted OR to get a better life for themselves and/or families; in my opinion the factors are not generally running 'counter' to each other so much as 'together'...

As has been mentioned by others here, there seem to be a variety of reasons for them to choose Britain, such as: being able to speak English (which may be very important in getting a job), family contacts in the country, perceived racial tolerance etc. Perhaps the matter is not as 'obvious' as it might at first appear.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Sticky : "If you make a habit of writing in a way that largely seeks to diminish, belittle, undermine, divide, discriminate and mock then your days on NSC will be numbered."

Are you screaming for a policeman ?

Regards
DF

 

[sparkie]

Are you screaming for a policeman ?

Regards
DF

Stop being so divisive, mocking and insulting.

Please read the sticky.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Stop being so divisive, mocking and insulting.

Please read the sticky.

Stop being a shit stirrer

Regards
DF

 

[beorhthelm]

With regard to the first highlighted comment, I don't recognise the reasons for coming to the UK as a simple dichotomy in the way you do, i.e. migrants are coming over because they are being persecuted OR to get a better life for themselves and/or families; in my opinion the factors are not generally running 'counter' to each other so much as 'together'...

As has been mentioned by others here, there seem to be a variety of reasons for them to choose Britain, such as: being able to speak English (which may be very important in getting a job), family contacts in the country, perceived racial tolerance etc. Perhaps the matter is not as 'obvious' as it might at first appear.

i agree its not a simple dichotomy, a better life, work etc are some of the factors. persecution might be the driver to leave somewhere, their destination once moving decided by other factors. you've acknowledged speaking language helps get a job, yet asylum seekers arent allowed to work initially. we're told they absolutly are not, never, no way migrating for economic reasons, but they are paying thousands and risking life for the opportunities they believe they will have. its a simple and obvious contradiction, lets be more honest and accept many are looking for work, and help them.

 

[Lever]

i agree its not a simple dichotomy, a better life, work etc are some of the factors. persecution might be the driver to leave somewhere, their destination once moving decided by other factors. you've acknowledged speaking language helps get a job, yet asylum seekers arent allowed to work initially. we're told they absolutly are not, never, no way migrating for economic reasons, but they are paying thousands and risking life for the opportunities they believe they will have. its a simple and obvious contradiction, lets be more honest and accept many are looking for work, and help them.

Fair comment... but I think most of us are being as honest as we can be with the limited information we have. However, when considering the honesty of high level decision makers, I suggest you assess what possible agendas they may have to say what they say and do what they do.......

 

[sparkie]

Stop being a shit stirrer

Regards
DF

More name calling.

 

[carlzeiss]

I apologise for my previous skepticism about your claims to be not all that bright (unable to understand what the BLM meme means). But I do admire your pluck.

Thanks for the grammar correction , always happy to be helped and you are never too old to learn

However shirley you must realize that a ferry shuttle service from UK ports to French , Belgium and Dutch ports will put the people smugglers out of business and stop further tragedies in the Channel . It will also free up the RNLI and Border Force as they will no longer have to launch rescue missions for refugees .

Of course this needs to be done in conjunction with a huge house building programme so that vulnerable people do not have to spend any longer than necessary in hotels which should only be a short term solution . Not rocket science is it .

 

[nicko31]

Kate Hoey, get ya facts right before you start grand standing in the Lords....

https://twitter.com/i/status/1464536696138178569

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Kate Hoey, get ya facts right before you start grand standing in the Lords....

https://twitter.com/i/status/1464536696138178569

[tweet]1464536696138178569[/tweet]

A very good speech.

A friend of mine came to Britain, from Iran, in the 70s because the Ayotollah took over from the Shah. She is a Christian and was being persecuted. She became a teacher here, but four or five years ago, left Britain to go to Greece, helping the Iranian refugees there. A loving, kind, woman looking after others.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Thanks for the grammar correction , always happy to be helped and you are never too old to learn

However shirley you must realize that a ferry shuttle service from UK ports to French , Belgium and Dutch ports will put the people smugglers out of business and stop further tragedies in the Channel . It will also free up the RNLI and Border Force as they will no longer have to launch rescue missions for refugees .

Of course this needs to be done in conjunction with a huge house building programme so that vulnerable people do not have to spend any longer than necessary in hotels which should only be a short term solution . Not rocket science is it .

That made me chuckle (I like a bit of black humour). As you know perfectly well this won't happen, nor should it need to happen.

However, if we want to prevent deaths and a waste of RNLI resources it is the only solution currently, now that we have broken ties with Europe and engage with 'them' only when the tories want to score political points (vide Patel getting disinvited due to her and Boris' latest bit of shitehousery, proving yet again we were right to leave the EU in the 'minds' of some). We should have created a pan European solution long ago, one that is equitable to all nations (the Italians for one are in a much worse position than the UK, so we need to stop cry-babying about being 'swamped'), and that has a swift and coherent short term and long term agenda. We won't ever get that now.

No, people will come, people will die, resources will be wasted, more people living on the south coast will get angry, the likes of Das Reich will form a gang of vigilantes, forcing the illegals back on to their boats, Guardian readers will wring their hands, and more people will disappear into the black economy, which will become increasingly criminal.

One of my brothers is employed by social services to manage the short term arrangements for illegal immigrants. His department is grossly underfunded (it would not be a vote winner for the tories to properly fund this stuff) so most of them (young men in the main) abscond the minute the can.

There is no political will to resolve this whatsoever. A significant proportion of the electorate think 'send them back' and many of them think 'let them drown'. And that's as far as they want to engage with it. Not a recipe for change any time soon.

I don't see this government doing anything and once one boat load of 30 people has drowned the public lose interest. Meanwhile it serves as a constant source of votes for the tories because it is simply a gift that keeps on giving for them: two fingers up to the French, and no 'innocent' victims (it was 'their own choice, sad and unfortunate though it be').

Anyone with an ounce of humanity, even if they are lifelong tories, should withold their support for Boris and their vote for that party. Campaigning to end illegal immigration by 'taking back control' - and now this. They won't though. Meanwhile who even listens to whiney Starmer? Opposition is for losers.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Thanks for the grammar correction , always happy to be helped and you are never too old to learn

However shirley you must realize that a ferry shuttle service from UK ports to French , Belgium and Dutch ports will put the people smugglers out of business and stop further tragedies in the Channel . It will also free up the RNLI and Border Force as they will no longer have to launch rescue missions for refugees .

Of course this needs to be done in conjunction with a huge house building programme so that vulnerable people do not have to spend any longer than necessary in hotels which should only be a short term solution . Not rocket science is it .

But that's just it. It appears you are, because you don't

Absolutely this, but how about for starters our government does a deal with Turkey so that the 4 million refugees there can be moved to the UK ( If they would like to come of course )

Once we have done this then we can start to arrange the logistics to rescue those stuck in their home countries . There are still approx. 35 million people in Afganistain and as you know things are pretty grim there .


https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/f...for-an-ever-growing-number-of-syrian-refugees

10 Years On, Turkey Continues Its Support for an Ever-Growing Number of Syrian Refugees

Today, Turkey is host to the world’s largest refugee population, with 4 million people, of whom 3.6 million are Syrians.

Absolute proof that every one of your arguments has been logically and factually taken apart and you are reduced to this pathetic tantrum of childish drivel

You have some catching up to do to take Ppf's idiocy crown but it's a start

You're childish rants just become increasingly extreme and embarrassing, even to those having to read them.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Why would you want throw away your ID and any form of documentation before illegally crossing the English Channel ?

Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

That made me chuckle (I like a bit of black humour). As you know perfectly well this won't happen, nor should it need to happen.

However, if we want to prevent deaths and a waste of RNLI resources it is the only solution currently, now that we have broken ties with Europe and engage with 'them' only when the tories want to score political points (vide Patel getting disinvited due to her and Boris' latest bit of shitehousery, proving yet again we were right to leave the EU in the 'minds' of some). We should have created a pan European solution long ago, one that is equitable to all nations (the Italians for one are in a much worse position than the UK, so we need to stop cry-babying about being 'swamped'), and that has a swift and coherent short term and long term agenda. We won't ever get that now.

No, people will come, people will die, resources will be wasted, more people living on the south coast will get angry, the likes of Das Reich will form a gang of vigilantes, forcing the illegals back on to their boats, Guardian readers will wring their hands, and more people will disappear into the black economy, which will become increasingly criminal.

One of my brothers is employed by social services to manage the short term arrangements for illegal immigrants. His department is grossly underfunded (it would not be a vote winner for the tories to properly fund this stuff) so most of them (young men in the main) abscond the minute the can.

There is no political will to resolve this whatsoever. A significant proportion of the electorate think 'send them back' and many of them think 'let them drown'. And that's as far as they want to engage with it. Not a recipe for change any time soon.

I don't see this government doing anything and once one boat load of 30 people has drowned the public lose interest. Meanwhile it serves as a constant source of votes for the tories because it is simply a gift that keeps on giving for them: two fingers up to the French, and no 'innocent' victims (it was 'their own choice, sad and unfortunate though it be').

Anyone with an ounce of humanity, even if they are lifelong tories, should withold their support for Boris and their vote for that party. Campaigning to end illegal immigration by 'taking back control' - and now this. They won't though. Meanwhile who even listens to whiney Starmer? Opposition is for losers.

If the freebies weren't on offer you wouldn't have had to type all that out H , SEND THEM STRAIGHT BACK
Regards
DF

 

[carlzeiss]

But that's just it. It appears you are, because you don't



You're childish rants just become increasingly extreme and embarrassing, even to those having to read them.

Standing up and admitting past misjudgments should be something to be respected rather than belittled I would have thought .

Of course offering alternative solutions will always attract mockery from some though that won't stop me from from persevering and expanding my understanding of complex situations

 

[Lever]

That made me chuckle (I like a bit of black humour). As you know perfectly well this won't happen, nor should it need to happen.

However, if we want to prevent deaths and a waste of RNLI resources it is the only solution currently, now that we have broken ties with Europe and engage with 'them' only when the tories want to score political points (vide Patel getting disinvited due to her and Boris' latest bit of shitehousery, proving yet again we were right to leave the EU in the 'minds' of some). We should have created a pan European solution long ago, one that is equitable to all nations (the Italians for one are in a much worse position than the UK, so we need to stop cry-babying about being 'swamped'), and that has a swift and coherent short term and long term agenda. We won't ever get that now.

No, people will come, people will die, resources will be wasted, more people living on the south coast will get angry, the likes of Das Reich will form a gang of vigilantes, forcing the illegals back on to their boats, Guardian readers will wring their hands, and more people will disappear into the black economy, which will become increasingly criminal.

One of my brothers is employed by social services to manage the short term arrangements for illegal immigrants. His department is grossly underfunded (it would not be a vote winner for the tories to properly fund this stuff) so most of them (young men in the main) abscond the minute the can.

There is no political will to resolve this whatsoever. A significant proportion of the electorate think 'send them back' and many of them think 'let them drown'. And that's as far as they want to engage with it. Not a recipe for change any time soon.

I don't see this government doing anything and once one boat load of 30 people has drowned the public lose interest. Meanwhile it serves as a constant source of votes for the tories because it is simply a gift that keeps on giving for them: two fingers up to the French, and no 'innocent' victims (it was 'their own choice, sad and unfortunate though it be').

Anyone with an ounce of humanity, even if they are lifelong tories, should withold their support for Boris and their vote for that party. Campaigning to end illegal immigration by 'taking back control' - and now this. They won't though. Meanwhile who even listens to whiney Starmer? Opposition is for losers.

It's hard to believe but there are some, even on here, who struggle to raise an ounce......

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Standing up and admitting past misjudgments should be something to be respected rather than belittled I would have thought .

Of course offering alternative solutions will always attract mockery from some though that won't stop me from from persevering and expanding my understanding of complex situations

I find it hard to believe that someone with your impeccable musical taste is being anything but sincere. I hope I'm right

 

[carlzeiss]

I find it hard to believe that someone with your impeccable musical taste is being anything but sincere. I hope I'm right

Happy to consider voting for Sir Keir next time round . Labour must have some extremely talented minds in their midst to be able to achieve increased spending on public services without increasing taxes

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

It's hard to believe but there are some, even on here, who struggle to raise an ounce......

Maybe you could tell us why these people making a illegal crossing of the English Channel would want to destroy any form of ID ?

Regards
DF

 

[Randy McNob]

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