Welcoming refugees. Well done Brits!

[WATFORD zero]

Absolutely this, but how about for starters our government does a deal with Turkey so that the 4 million refugees there can be moved to the UK ( If they would like to come of course )

Once we have done this then we can start to arrange the logistics to rescue those stuck in their home countries . There are still approx. 35 million people in Afganistain and as you know things are pretty grim there .


https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/f...for-an-ever-growing-number-of-syrian-refugees

10 Years On, Turkey Continues Its Support for an Ever-Growing Number of Syrian Refugees

Today, Turkey is host to the world’s largest refugee population, with 4 million people, of whom 3.6 million are Syrians.

Absolute proof that every one of your arguments has been logically and factually taken apart and you are reduced to this pathetic tantrum of childish drivel

You have some catching up to do to take Ppf's idiocy crown but it's a start

 

[sparkie]

So Poland / the EU should take migrants but not the UK?

Migrants flown and bussed there by Belarus ?

If Belarus is so keen on them they should stay there.

 

[sparkie]

They might as well 25,000 and counting ,people like you are the problem wake up ffs !

Regards
DF

Sticky : "If you make a habit of writing in a way that largely seeks to diminish, belittle, undermine, divide, discriminate and mock then your days on NSC will be numbered."

 

[carlzeiss]

Absolute proof that every one of your arguments has been logically and factually taken apart and you are reduced to this pathetic tantrum of childish drivel

You have some catching up to do to take Ppf's idiocy crown but it's a start

So you have a better plan then ?

 

[WATFORD zero]

So you have a better plan then ?

On this exact thread less than 48 hours ago

Indeed.

I would suggest that getting back the UK's seat on the management board for Europol - the European Union Agency for Law Enforcement Cooperation - and getting British officers access to the Europol database would be measures that could reduce the issue and would help the UK’s and EU's efforts to dismantle immigrant smuggling networks. Reinstating or replacing the much maligned Dublin regulation would certainly also help. Also, if we could improve international relations with the countries across the channel I'm sure we would be more likely to find successful joint operations and solutions.

Given that these things have contributed to a threefold (and still growing) increase over the last year. Could you imagine campaigning and voting for all these things and then moaning and whining about the inevitable and predicted consequences

 

[carlzeiss]

On this exact thread less than 48 hours ago



Given that these things have contributed to a threefold (and still growing) increase over the last year. Could you imagine campaigning and voting for all these things and then moaning and whining about the inevitable and predicted consequences

If the UK government was transporting refugees directly then the smugglers would be out of business . Shouldn't it not be down to refugees to decide where they wish stay rather than self appointed agencies supposedly acting on their behalf .

 

[Randy McNob]

So you have a better plan then ?

1st step is to get rid of this facist government who's policies are (deliberately) counter productive

All they seek to do is inflame the situation and engage in diplomatic spats as it keeps them relevant to their core support

 

[carlzeiss]

1st step is to get rid of this facist government who's policies are (deliberately) counter productive

All they seek to do is inflame the situation and engage in diplomatic spats as it keeps them relevant to their core support

Why don't you start a revolution then with your comrades ?

Who knows you might have more support then you can envisage

 

[Randy McNob]

Truly heartening to see the peoples representatives putting their shoulders to the wheel in these strenuous times......:vommit:

Not sure what your point is but i've never known a lord state in the house that the home secretary is blatantly lying

 

[sydney]

Not sure what your point is but i've never known a lord state in the house that the home secretary is blatantly lying

well Randy , my point is , the house is virtually empty , i know you cant be that thick to not notice that so I'll just assume you are a bit of a twatt....xx

 

[pastafarian]

among the 31 dead, 1 was entitled to be here but excluded due to Tory policy, another was an Afghan Soldier who worked with British Soldiers

but yeah - it's all France's fault !

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Fake news - stop relying on the twitter opinions of others and try and think for yourself

Can I ask you a serious question?

In your opinion, why do you think the problem has worsened and many more migrants are coming over since Johnson + co came to power and Post Brexit?

Immigration to the UK and net migration have fallen not increased

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Congrats yet again for confirming that you still believe taking back control of EU free movement regarding the free movement of EU citizens was about border control of non-EU illegal immigrants in France attempting to enter the country.

1st step is to get rid of this facist government

And there you have it. Your trolling stupidity laid out for all to see.
You clearly have no concept of actual real fascism. Anyone who thinks that here in the UK and following democratic process the current government is a fascist government has a screw loose
Your infantile conclusion is very reminiscent of those idiotic momentum troll types who spent their entire online existence being triggered.

 

[pastafarian]

It's an international emergency. In which we must play our part. Refugees are welcome in the UK. Let's arrange safe passage from their country of origin, put the traffickers out of business and save lives.

This is a welcome change of direction by you and brings you firmly over to the other side of the coin who have been saying this all along.
Your new position is of course reflective of Tory government policy, the emphasis should always be on affording safe passage and bringing the most vulnerable refugees from their country of origin and not encouraging asylum seekers to make long perilous journeys which inevitably involves and therefore encourages trafficking.

(its worthwhile mentioning though that from country of origin should also include neighbouring countries as these are where UNHCR refugee camps tend to be set up, when a hot spot emerges, rather than in the actual danger zone itself)

Well done for seeing the light and changing your mnd

 

[Lever]

Stopping dangerous Channel crossings: what experts and campaigners say

Analysis: From overhauling the asylum system to simply taking what refugees say seriously, some ideas to stop the small boats

Amid a rising number of small boats crossing the Channel, culminating in tragedy on Wednesday, campaigners and experts have proposed a number of possible solutions to curb the dangerous journeys:

Take refugees’ claims seriously
The government stands accused of misunderstanding the reasons behind the current crisis. The home secretary, Priti Patel, has claimed that 70% of people crossing in small boats are economic migrants, a claim disputed by the Refugee Council in new research. Undocumented economic migrants do not generally deliver themselves into the hands of Home Office officials as soon as they reach UK soil.

A recent high court case about support payments to asylum seekers in hotels revealed that Patel and the then immigration minister Chris Philp rejected recommendations from officials to make payments of £12.11 a week to asylum seekers in hotels for essential living needs because they did “not want to further increase any possible pull factors”. Asylum seekers insist they are not travelling to the UK in order to receive these modest payments.

Critics say it is hard to identify solutions if the nature of the problem is misunderstood.

Work with other peaceful nations to try to resolve or mitigate global conflicts
The gold-standard solution to halting refugees crossing the Channel in small boats is to end global conflicts which cause people to flee for their lives. The UK’s Department for International Development (DfID) did a great deal of work aimed at this before it was axed as a standalone department and merged with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in 2020. DfID worked to strengthen the infrastructures of fragile countries in the hope of increasing stability there. The EU also has significant collective clout when it comes to global diplomacy, but Britain is no longer a member.

Enable safe, legal routes and refugee resettlement
Refugee resettlement is a safe way to airlift people out of conflict zones or neighbouring countries and allow them to begin a new life without having to deal with the many roadblocks in the current asylum system. However, refugee resettlement is only offered to a very small number of people fleeing conflict. Despite the promise of more safe routes, the number of people resettled under the government’s UK resettlement scheme was 1,171 in the 12 months to September 2021, down by about 45% year on year. Operation Pitting airlifted 15,000 people out of Afghanistan this year and the UK government resettled around 5,000 Syrians a year following the Syrian conflict. Refugee charities are calling for these schemes to be expanded.

Process UK humanitarian visas on French soil
UK officials already staff a border in France. Charities say that asylum seekers in northern France hoping to reach the UK to claim asylum should be able to register their claim with UK officials and then be placed on ferries to be brought to the UK while their claim is processed. If such a scheme was adopted it would achieve what the government has repeatedly promised to do: smash the business model of the people smugglers.

Overhaul the asylum system
Delays in processing asylum claims are at record levels, with the number of people waiting six months or more for an initial decision on their claim rising by 5% to 56,520. Previously the Home Office had a target to process the majority of straightforward claims within six months. It dropped that target in 2019 saying officials wanted to focus on prioritising the most vulnerable asylum seekers. The majority of asylum claims are found to be legitimate according to the Home Office figures released on Thursday. Almost two-thirds (64%) of asylum claims ended in a grant of protection. Of those rejected that then went on to appeal, 48% were successfully overturned. The scale of the delays leads to the perception of the system being overwhelmed; experts say it doesn’t have to be.

 

[beorhthelm]

...Take refugees’ claims seriously
The government stands accused of misunderstanding the reasons behind the current crisis. The home secretary, Priti Patel, has claimed that 70% of people crossing in small boats are economic migrants, a claim disputed by the Refugee Council in new research. Undocumented economic migrants do not generally deliver themselves into the hands of Home Office officials as soon as they reach UK soil.

here's a problem, firstly this is based on those that are either caught or do present themselves. there seems an assumption that all those crossing do so. secondly, during the week have heard a half dozen migrants speak and every one of them spoke of wanting to make a better life, education, provide for their family, they want to work. i say good for them, but it does rather run counter to the not economic migrants story.

im baffled why anyone would leave the safety of Greece, Italy, Spain, Germany, even France, and risk thier life again. obviously they think their opportunities here are better than those places, again contrary to many opinions of this country.

 

[The Clamp]

This is a welcome change of direction by you and brings you firmly over to the other side of the coin who have been saying this all along.
Your new position is of course reflective of Tory government policy, the emphasis should always be on affording safe passage and bringing the most vulnerable refugees from their country of origin and not encouraging asylum seekers to make long perilous journeys which inevitably involves and therefore encourages trafficking.

(its worthwhile mentioning though that from country of origin should also include neighbouring countries as these are where UNHCR refugee camps tend to be set up, when a hot spot emerges, rather than in the actual danger zone itself)

Well done for seeing the light and changing your mnd

 

[The Clamp]

here's a problem, firstly this is based on those that are either caught or do present themselves. there seems an assumption that all those crossing do so. secondly, during the week have heard a half dozen migrants speak and every one of them spoke of wanting to make a better life, education, provide for their family, they want to work. i say good for them, but it does rather run counter to the not economic migrants story.

im baffled why anyone would leave the safety of Greece, Italy, Spain, Germany, even France, and risk thier life again. obviously they think their opportunities here are better than those places, again contrary to many opinions of this country.

You keep raising the same, stupid points again and again despite being provided with the answers dozens of times. One could get the impression you just like an argument because all these points have been addressed time and again.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If the UK government was transporting refugees directly then the smugglers would be out of business . Shouldn't it not be down to refugees to decide where they wish stay rather than self appointed agencies supposedly acting on their behalf .

I apologise for my previous skepticism about your claims to be not all that bright (unable to understand what the BLM meme means). But I do admire your pluck.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I apologise for my previous skepticism about your claims to be not all that bright (unable to understand what the BLM meme means). But I do admire your pluck.

"A pound of pluck is worth a ton of luck" — James A. Garfield

 

[The Clamp]

"A pound of pluck is worth a ton of luck" — James A. Garfield

Didn’t he also say “hmmmm lasagne”?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

here's a problem, firstly this is based on those that are either caught or do present themselves. there seems an assumption that all those crossing do so. secondly, during the week have heard a half dozen migrants speak and every one of them spoke of wanting to make a better life, education, provide for their family, they want to work. i say good for them, but it does rather run counter to the not economic migrants story.

im baffled why anyone would leave the safety of Greece, Italy, Spain, Germany, even France, and risk thier life again. obviously they think their opportunities here are better than those places, again contrary to many opinions of this country.

Britain is way down the chart for refugees destinations. Those that do want to get here, are because they speak English, some having worked for the British, such as Afghanistan or to join family already here, like the poor woman who drowned, who was trying to join her husband here.