welcome home binyam mohammed

[Rusthall Seagull]

if you believe he left britain to engage in humanitarian work in afghanistan, you are as tony blair was described by gerry adams, a "naive idiot".

but in a country where you are innocent before proven guilty ( I take it you agree with this procedure?) why are you presuming he is a terrorist and why resort to calling someone a niave idiot when you actually have no more proof of his guilt than the next man ?

 

[User removed 4]

but in a country where you are innocent before proven guilty ( I take it you agree with this procedure?) why are you presuming he is a terrorist and why resort to calling someone a niave idiot when you actually have no more proof of his guilt than the next man ?

there is nothing i can say, that simmo has not already said in the post above yours.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

there is nothing i can say, that simmo has not already said in the post above yours.

try, because I am not anti US (so no point in trying to label me with that) - I asked you whether you believe in innocent before proven guilty? - are you saying, because he was in Afganistan at the time of the war 'he is guilty' - truly incredible if you are.

 

[public school boy]

'our brave lads', who are doing what exactly? fighting for our freedom against a poverty stricken nation, helping to torture innocent people, or for securing a good supply of natural resources and or a military base in an area we don't like or trust.

There is no evidence that The U.K does not like Afganistan.our troops are out there to try a stop A TERRORIST ORGANISATION who treat women like farm yard animals,raise funds through the Ilegal drugs trade,use children as human bombs,would kill all non believers (as they put it!),would deprive YOU of your human rights,deprive you of being able to practice a religon of your own choice.our soceity is not perfect,but I know which soceity i want to live under.you want to live by their laws ,i suggest you leave now and i wonder how long it would be before you are begging to return!!!!!!!!.May be you think the world should have let Hitler acheive his dreams

 

[User removed 4]

try, because I am not anti US (so no point in trying to label me with that) - I asked you whether you believe in innocent before proven guilty? - are you saying, because he was in Afganistan at the time of the war 'he is guilty' - truly incredible if you are.

yes i am, truly incredible if you think he's not.

 

[User removed 4]

'our brave lads', who are doing what exactly? fighting for our freedom against a poverty stricken nation, helping to torture innocent people, or for securing a good supply of natural resources and or a military base in an area we don't like or trust.

exactly what natural resources do you say we are trying to secure in afghanistan ?

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

yes i am, truly incredible if you think he's not.

so, basically, you are just guessing ? you are using your own views to convict a man of a crime ? as far as you are concerned, he was 'there' so he is guilty ? correct ?

 

[drew]

I don't condone what he has been through but my understanding was that he went to Pakistan and tried to enter Afganistan at a time of war under a false passport. Why would you do that. You say, innocent till proven guilty but don't you also agree that people charged with violent crimes should not be allowed to walk the streets until their trial. In this case the charges were dropped and he should have been released.

By the way, you are not innocent till proven guilty. That's just the duty of the state if they want to put you away. You committ or plan a crime then you are guilty whether you are caught or not.

 

[User removed 4]

so, basically, you are just guessing ? you are using your own views to convict a man of a crime ? as far as you are concerned, he was 'there' so he is guilty ? correct ?

give me ONE just ONE good reason why you think he would be there ?

 

[drew]

so, basically, you are just guessing ? you are using your own views to convict a man of a crime ? as far as you are concerned, he was 'there' so he is guilty ? correct ?

Equally, you are guessing that he is innocent.

 

[simmo]

but in a country where you are innocent before proven guilty ( I take it you agree with this procedure?) why are you presuming he is a terrorist and why resort to calling someone a niave idiot when you actually have no more proof of his guilt than the next man ?

You are interpreting the law as it is in a peace time environment. This person was captured in a situation of a war environment. It is actually to the US credit that they are realising him at all, as he was, I presume captured by US or other allied troops. They have zero obligation to do so whatsoever.

Hundreds of thousands of POW's were taken by either side in the 2nd World War yet they had no trial nor lawyers nor anything that this individual now hides behind. They were POW's like this man truly is........and yet naive people make out that he is some kind of wronged person and interpret the law that is in a peace time environment, in war there is no innocent until proven guilty there are opposition forces that need to be killed or captured.

Also as he was fighting for forces ultimately that were allied to the enemies of the UK he should be tried for treason.........yet now when he really needs it he now claims British citizenship so that fools can shout, cheer and even argue for his release, just because they are so anti American they cannot or will not see the truth of the matter for their own eyes.

 

[algie]

so, basically, you are just guessing ? you are using your own views to convict a man of a crime ? as far as you are concerned, he was 'there' so he is guilty ? correct ?

So he just happens to be sight seeing when a war is on? What exactly is there to attract people to Afgan in the first place?

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

exactly what natural resources do you say we are trying to secure in afghanistan ?

Afghanistan only has one very profitable natural resource - cultivating poppies.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

Equally, you are guessing that he is innocent.

no I am not - I am not guessing at his guilt or innocence, I am just saying that you cant presume he is guilty because he was in Afganistan at the time of the war.

 

[User removed 4]

Afghanistan only has one very profitable natural resource - cultivating poppies.

i know, i was asking the question to gruntage, who stated that we were there to secure a good supply of natural resources.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

give me ONE just ONE good reason why you think he would be there ?

see some mates ? Family ? Aid work ? Lots of Brits were and still are in Afganistan - are they all terrorists ?

 

[Leekbrookgull]

I am sure someone can link his profile,but it is on the BBC site. 30 year old Binyam Mohamed sought asylum in the U/K in 1994,he was told to go,but then allowed to stay for 4 years. In 2001 he converted to Islam,before travelling to Pakistan then onto Afghanistan (he says to kick his drug habit) The U/S say he fought along side the taliban. He was arrested by Pakistani immigration officials in 2002. At no stage does it state that he is a British citizen.

 

[public school boy]

well i heard that the Americans have just developed a new Torture worse than any used before,having to support a team managed by Micky Adams

 

[algie]

see some mates ? Family ? Aid work ? Lots of Brits were and still are in Afganistan - are they all terrorists ?

Now your talking out of your arse.Pointless discussing it any further with you.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

So he just happens to be sight seeing when a war is on? What exactly is there to attract people to Afgan in the first place?

sight seeing ?