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[Football] We need two up front











studio150

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Jul 30, 2011
30,227
On the Border
And that is Giroud, but we will never spend that much.
I have always liked Giroud, always pops up and scores important goals just when needed, but never been a fans favourite or gets a decent run in a team, except for a while at Arsenal where he scored regularly but was not well liked by Gooners.
Bizarre.

Giroud + £40m for Dunk?
 


Perkino

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Dec 11, 2009
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I used to agree with this, always two up front but over the years many clubs have created formations where 1 centre forward is supported by a guy who fills a whole in between midfield and defence in a 4-5-1
Drogba with Lampard. Torres with Gerrard. But most recently Kane with Alli, Vardy with Maddison or even Abraham with Mount.

The exceptional teams play a similar way but a different emphasis with the 3 central midfielders who now regain possession and move the ball forward to allow the 3 attackers to create width and enable the other 2 to get into the box in a 4-3-3. Ronaldo, Benzema & Bale. Neymar, Messi & Suarez. Sterling, Aguero & De Bruyne. Salah, Firminho & Mane. This is only achievable by having exceptional skills with passing.

There is also another collection of teams starting to operate with a 4-2-3-1 which is an adaptation of the previously very successful 4-5-1 but now instead of having 1 deep sitting midfielder in the mould of Makelele who is amazing they have 2 deep lying central midfielders who protect the defence and can pass the ball. I see us moving in this direction with Mooy being allowed to fill the central creative fulcrum of the 3 and the wider players both supporting attacks and doing a job defensively.

Two up front is an outdated system
 








Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
69,274
Withdean area
I used to agree with this, always two up front but over the years many clubs have created formations where 1 centre forward is supported by a guy who fills a whole in between midfield and defence in a 4-5-1
Drogba with Lampard. Torres with Gerrard. But most recently Kane with Alli, Vardy with Maddison or even Abraham with Mount.

The exceptional teams play a similar way but a different emphasis with the 3 central midfielders who now regain possession and move the ball forward to allow the 3 attackers to create width and enable the other 2 to get into the box in a 4-3-3. Ronaldo, Benzema & Bale. Neymar, Messi & Suarez. Sterling, Aguero & De Bruyne. Salah, Firminho & Mane. This is only achievable by having exceptional skills with passing.

There is also another collection of teams starting to operate with a 4-2-3-1 which is an adaptation of the previously very successful 4-5-1 but now instead of having 1 deep sitting midfielder in the mould of Makelele who is amazing they have 2 deep lying central midfielders who protect the defence and can pass the ball. I see us moving in this direction with Mooy being allowed to fill the central creative fulcrum of the 3 and the wider players both supporting attacks and doing a job defensively.

Two up front is an outdated system

This.

Two upfront, unless you have brilliant, pacey midfielders behind them, invariably leads to losing the critical CM battle in numbers. Most opponents whether it be Watford, CP or Spurs pack the CM with 3 players.
 
















Jim Van Winkle

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Jul 14, 2010
3,125
Hawaii
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DarrenFreemansPerm

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Sep 28, 2010
17,445
Shoreham
Back in the day, both Rooney and Owen said they played better when Heskey was partnered with them. Murray can do the Heskey hold up/flick/link play stuff and he's a lot better finisher. Would be good to see how Maupay would fare if partnered with muzza.

I’ve no doubt that is part of the plan, but Potter seems reluctant to demand too much from Murray, Naylor mentioned the club want a striker with similar attributes to Murray so there’s definitely something to it, but why Glenn isn’t getting more game time only Potter (and his staff) knows.
 


sydney

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Jul 11, 2003
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town full of eejits
Actually a long way into December Stephens had around a 90% pass completion but in the last games it been around 70% (67% last night) which is frankly a very, very bad ratio for a central midfielder with mainly defensive tasks.

About Stephens shooting... I think he likes to do it and I dont think he is bad at it - he had some decent attempts this season - but most of the time you see him have a shot, its not really about scoring but about preventing counter attacks.

Dont have numbers for this but I feel two thirds of his attempts has been after corners that has been headed away etc, and if you dont shoot quickly you could lose the ball and have a very dangerous counter attack against you. So a lot of his shots are weird volleys or from poor or messy angles and it makes him look worse at it than he really is.


ok mate .....his goal scoring record shot he is .....we've been watching him for a while now..... we are , as a team , incredibly shot shy.
 






blue-shifted

Banned
Feb 20, 2004
7,645
a galaxy far far away
I’ve no doubt that is part of the plan, but Potter seems reluctant to demand too much from Murray, Naylor mentioned the club want a striker with similar attributes to Murray so there’s definitely something to it, but why Glenn isn’t getting more game time only Potter (and his staff) knows.

The fact that he can hardly run any more is my guess
 




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