[Football] We are no better than last season at this point FACT

[One Teddy Maybank]

The original post set the tone for this thread.

Calling Potter's new contract "Shocking" was devisive trolling in post #1.

Perhaps. And emotive language as well.

But how is that down to Hughton?

TBH - I found the contract award strange as well, but perhaps other clubs were sniffing about, maybe we messed up initially with clauses (that would be unusual) but who knows?




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[Blue Valkyrie]

Perhaps. And emotive language as well.

But how is that down to Hughton?

TBH - I found the contract award strange as well, but perhaps other clubs were sniffing about, maybe we messed up initially with clauses (that would be unusual) but who knows?




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It's not down to Hughton.

I am simply pointing out that the whole thread is setup from the first post to provoke devisive, black and white comparison.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I can remember the point we won at Wolves was greeted on here like we had won a cup final

Fair enough, fans are loyal to the current manager of the time, that’s actually a very positive thing.

But once they’re gone, boy it’s almost like we are discussing a different person. Never mind Hughton, any one of our promotion managers Gus, Adams, McGhee, you are more likely to get a negative than a recognition of great achievement

A huge over-generalsation there, I've certainly said on this thread and others that Hughton was our best manager ever. I rate him above Mullery and anyone who forgets how good those two seasons in the Championship were (we really should have gone up in his first full season when no one gave us a cat in hell's chance) is being disingenuous. Plus there was a real community feeling around the club, a sense that the fans and players were in it together. Part of that was created by Shoreham of course but even that was turned in to a positive by Chris and Paul Barber. In the first PL season I would also say our defensivness WAS necessary. Our budget was tiny and many of our players still the Championship team. It was only in the final three quarters or so of his last season that he lost it, but sometimes managers do and it isn't disrespectful to say so. It's also not disrespectful to point our that he'd set some of those conditions up himself. Not having a distinct style of play and bringing on the youngsters - we all know that's what Tony has wanted since he took over and I'm sure that's why Ashworth came in.

Poyet? There have been a number of threads that I don't want to resurrect but in general people appreciated his foorball and coaching and still do. However, there were those that criticised the sideways tippy tappy at the time as they found it dull. Each to their own. For me, I remember absolutely storming League One, I remember "we're ****ing brilliant", I remember Bridge and Upson and Vicente playing for us and the amazing Spanish contingent. And he was a good coach of players. Dunk is comfortable on the ball today because of Poyet. His League One strikers are now all Premier League players - Murray, Barnes and Wood. It ended very badly indeed though didn't it? Surely people are allowed to say so.

McGhee? Great job taking us up then lost the plot. Simple as. Adams? Worked miracles in his first spell but should never have been broight back. Simple as. See, I can see good and bad things in all of them and the good memories of all outweigh the bad for me.

And the post from you is a reasonble one, albeit I disagree. However, you showed your true colours yesterday with your petulant reaction to a positive Potter statistic and you've still not backed that up with your wallet. I think the truth is that you and JRG are Irish-identifying socialists just like Hughton and therefore he can do no wrong, and you write from that agenda all the time on this thread.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

It's not down to Hughton.

I am simply pointing out that the whole thread is setup from the first post to provoke devisive, black and white comparison.

Yes I understand that and wasn’t having a pop at yourself, just really the thread and some of the contributions.


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[One Teddy Maybank]

A huge over-generalsation there, I've certainly said on this thread and others that Hughton was our best manager ever. I rate him above Mullery and anyone who forgets how good those two seasons in the Championship were (we really should have gone up in his first full season when no one gave us a cat in hell's chance) is being disingenuous. Plus there was a real community feeling around the club, a sense that the fans and players were in it together. Part of that was created by Shoreham of course but even that was turned in to a positive by Chris and Paul Barber. In the first PL season I would also say our defensivness WAS necessary. Our budget was tiny and many of our players still the Championship team. It was only in the final three quarters or so of his last season that he lost it, but sometimes managers do and it isn't disrespectful to say so. It's also not disrespectful to point our that he'd set some of those conditions up himself. Not having a distinct style of play and bringing on the youngsters - we all know that's what Tony has wanted since he took over and I'm sure that's why Ashcroft came in.

Poyet? There have been a number of threads that I don't want to resurrect but in general people appreciated his foorball and coaching and still do. However, there were those that criticised the sideways tippy tappy at the time as they found it dull. Each to their own. For me, I remember absolutely storming League One, I remember "we're ****ing brilliant", I remember Bridge and Upson and Vicente playing for us and the amazing Spanish contingent. And he was a good coach of players. Dunk is comfortable on the ball today because of Poyet. His League One strikers are now all Premier League players - Murray, Barnes and Wood. It ended very badly indeed though didn't it? Surely people are allowed to say so.

McGhee? Great job taking us up then lost the plot. Simple as. Adams? Worked miracles in his first spell but should never have been broight back. Simple as. See, I can see good and bad things in all of them and the good memories of all outweigh the bad for me.
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Bloody good summary....... don’t care about the last para [emoji2]......

Great stuff Guinness


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[Kalimantan Gull]

I can remember the point we won at Wolves was greeted on here like we had won a cup final

Fair enough, fans are loyal to the current manager of the time, that’s actually a very positive thing.

But once they’re gone, boy it’s almost like we are discussing a different person. Never mind Hughton, any one of our promotion managers Gus, Adams, McGhee, you are more likely to get a negative than a recognition of great achievement

Because it always ends badly. The only difference with Potter is that it hasn't ended badly - yet.

 

[drew]

In chats with [MENTION=31]El Presidente[/MENTION] over the last 2 years, our highest paid players such as Dunk were likely to earn £40k to £50k a week.

Many others in the first team squad are on far less than that.

I believe it, but £50k a week is £2.5m a year. 3 players on that is equivalent to what WHU paid Hernandez, their highest earner so not our top 5 earners! The point I'm yet again making is that JRG distorts facts and, in this case, appears to have made them up.

 

[Weststander]

I believe it, but £50k a week is £2.5m a year. 3 players on that is equivalent to what WHU paid Hernandez, their highest earner so not our top 5 earners! The point I'm yet again making is that JRG distorts facts and, in this case, appears to have made them up.

It depends. If the median average in the full PL squad was say £25k, @JRG might be in the right ball park?

 

[LamieRobertson]

A huge over-generalsation there, I've certainly said on this thread and others that Hughton was our best manager ever. I rate him above Mullery and anyone who forgets how good those two seasons in the Championship were (we really should have gone up in his first full season when no one gave us a cat in hell's chance) is being disingenuous. Plus there was a real community feeling around the club, a sense that the fans and players were in it together. Part of that was created by Shoreham of course but even that was turned in to a positive by Chris and Paul Barber. In the first PL season I would also say our defensivness WAS necessary. Our budget was tiny and many of our players still the Championship team. It was only in the final three quarters or so of his last season that he lost it, but sometimes managers do and it isn't disrespectful to say so. It's also not disrespectful to point our that he'd set some of those conditions up himself. Not having a distinct style of play and bringing on the youngsters - we all know that's what Tony has wanted since he took over and I'm sure that's why Ashworth came in.

Poyet? There have been a number of threads that I don't want to resurrect but in general people appreciated his foorball and coaching and still do. However, there were those that criticised the sideways tippy tappy at the time as they found it dull. Each to their own. For me, I remember absolutely storming League One, I remember "we're ****ing brilliant", I remember Bridge and Upson and Vicente playing for us and the amazing Spanish contingent. And he was a good coach of players. Dunk is comfortable on the ball today because of Poyet. His League One strikers are now all Premier League players - Murray, Barnes and Wood. It ended very badly indeed though didn't it? Surely people are allowed to say so.

McGhee? Great job taking us up then lost the plot. Simple as. Adams? Worked miracles in his first spell but should never have been broight back. Simple as. See, I can see good and bad things in all of them and the good memories of all outweigh the bad for me.

And the post from you is a reasonble one, albeit I disagree. However, you showed your true colours yesterday with your petulant reaction to a positive Potter statistic and you've still not backed that up with your wallet. I think the truth is that you and JRG are Irish-identifying socialists just like Hughton and therefore he can do no wrong, and you write from that agenda all the time on this thread.

I’ll go with all that

 

[LamieRobertson]

It depends. If the median average in the full PL squad was say £25k, @JRG might be in the right ball park?

If and might leaves room for error

 

[blue-shifted]

In chats with [MENTION=31]El Presidente[/MENTION] over the last 2 years, our highest paid players such as Dunk were likely to earn £40k to £50k a week.

Many others in the first team squad are on far less than that.

I'm pretty certain there was a thread on here about a month ago where it was confirmed that our average first team wages was now £47k p/w

 

[dazzer6666]

I'm pretty certain there was a thread on here about a month ago where it was confirmed that our average first team wages was now £47k p/w

[MENTION=31]El Presidente[/MENTION] has the stats on his website - £47,205 average for us (2019)

http://priceoffootball.com/category/otherfinancialissues/

 

[blue-shifted]

[MENTION=31]El Presidente[/MENTION] has the stats on his website - £47,205 average for us (2019)

http://priceoffootball.com/category/otherfinancialissues/

And given we have Crofts, Button, Steele, Bong, Balogun etc in our squad, who are going to be on significantly lower that £47k, I think we can extrapolate that our top earners might be somewhere up towards £70k

 

[Perkino]

The first 4 years under Houghton I firmly believed he was doing everything exactly as he should. The way he transformed the squad and had a 21 game unbeaten run was immense and the following season was up there as one of the most enjoyable seasons as a Brighton fan. I also was fully on board with our 4-4-1-1 formation believing that we had to play that way to give us any hope of survival but something obviously changed around 12 months ago with a more attacking focus being sought from the club.

A 4-3-3 formation was introduced and we defensively fell apart and the remainder of the season is better not spoken about, my frustration grew with the lack of willingness to return to what was clearly working beforehand but ultimately that would just create a team hopeful of 17th each season and not the directive for the club. CH tried to deliver something a little more attacking but it didn't work and the board decided a different approach was required.

Potter has shown me a very different style of play is very achievable with our squad and I'm thoroughly enjoying it whilst being incredibly thankful for everything CH did and wanting to remember the first 4 years of huge success he oversaw

 

[drew]

It depends. If the median average in the full PL squad was say £25k, @JRG might be in the right ball park?

How do you arrive at that? Just to remind you, JRG stated that WHU were paying Hernandez £7.2 million a year and claimed that that was more than our top five earners combined. Now you're talking about average pay!

If, as you say, the median is £25k then that equates to £1.5m a year and that times by 5 is £7.5 but we're not talking about the average, he specifically referred to the top five earners which suggest they are earning more than the average.

I hope that clarifies it. If it doesn't, perhaps JRG himself could explain his statement.

A more viable comparison would be to use the average wage for both clubs rather than pick out specific players.

 

[Machiavelli]

I will regret engaging with [MENTION=33329]Jolly Red Giant[/MENTION] but having read the last few pages.

1. You continue to refer in this thread to shoestring budgets that Hughton had to work with. That is clearly bollocks. He was backed by the owners. CH also said the squad was full this time last year. Hardly the words of someone who wanted more backing

https://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/16...soar-past-100m-spent-on-premier-league-deals/

2. Alzate and Connelly were here last year. To say they weren't at his disposal is disingenuous. We haven't got them in from Inter Milan and Real Madrid. They were farmed out to Luton and Swindon.

3.How do you believe Hughton kept us up against the odds? At no point last year were we over 50% to go down with the bookmakers (and were as low as 4% in Jan 2019) . I believe without checking our wage bill was 17th. Keeping us up was par.

For the record, I believe CH largely did a fantastic job for us until about this time last year when the wheels fell off. The transformation of how we play in the short time GP has been here has been remarkable. Bringing through Alzate and Connelly whilst potting off Andone and Locadia could have cost him his job but he clearly has an eye for a player good or bad. He WILL end up at a top 6 club at some point. To suggest we'd have chucked in the youth and be playing this expansive if CH was still here ignores the evidence of the past 2 years. If in doubt we largely went back to the Championship team.

Yes, all of this.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

There is some really awful revisionist stuff about Hughton on this thread. Wish people would just credit him for the great job he did. He was hamstrung last season because big money went on duff signings. I didn't think we were that boring either, paricularly at home. The second half of the season was cause for concern, and the time was right for him to go (although he did keep us up of course). That shouldn't completely destroy his legacy. For the idiot who said "most clubs would have sacked him after the 5-0 Bournemouth defeat" - no, they really wouldn't. Only a moron would sack a manager on the basis of one result. Southampton even stuck with their manager after the 9-0 v Leicester.

Thank you for those kind words....I am that idiot.
You say ' on the basis of one result ' but it wasn't just one result. As I said in my post, it was weeks of steady decline. The last 23 games read..........LLLDWDLLLDLLWWLLLLDLDDL.......P23 W3 D6 L14.......Points = 15.
15 points out of a possible 69. No wins in the last 9 games of the season and a grand total of 3 points out of 27 and that was ' cause for concern ' !!!
Chris Hughton did do a great job for us but you have to accept that his results over this period were just not good enough and management was too defensive and reactive It doesn't destroy his legacy. That will always be in place. TB decided that a change was needed and I trust his judgement. This isn't revisionist stuff. Its factual. Its why our manager lost his job and why we now have a different one.

 

[nickbrighton]

I'm pretty certain there was a thread on here about a month ago where it was confirmed that our average first team wages was now £47k p/w

Average though can mean many things, on its own saying average wage is £xxx is meaningless. Is it mean average , median average, mode average. Using our players wages and providing each of the above would provide hugely varying results, each equally correct and each could be used to support a different view. Take this example . Values of 10,100,100, 1000, 1000, 1000,100 000. Mean Average = 14,744, Mode Average = 1000, Median Average = 50,000 (aprox) . This is frequently used by politicians to provide average wages, house prices, etc. Depending on what they want to prove using "average" to support which particular view they want to push

 

[blue-shifted]

Average though can mean many things, on its own saying average wage is £xxx is meaningless. Is it mean average , median average, mode average. Using our players wages and providing each of the above would provide hugely varying results, each equally correct and each could be used to support a different view. Take this example . Values of 10,100,100, 1000, 1000, 1000,100 000. Mean Average = 14,744, Mode Average = 1000, Median Average = 50,000 (aprox) . This is frequently used by politicians to provide average wages, house prices, etc. Depending on what they want to prove using "average" to support which particular view they want to push

I did actually pass my GCSE at maths but thanks for the reminder

 

[Weststander]

I'm pretty certain there was a thread on here about a month ago where it was confirmed that our average first team wages was now £47k p/w

Calling [MENTION=31]El Presidente[/MENTION]. Hi Kieran, a belated Merry Christmas. Can you confirm, to your best estimate, that our 25 man squad earn an average of circa £47k a week?

Or if you think it’s much lower, and idea of the average?

Ta.