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This thread has 18 replies.

The one about cruelty to animals has 66,

It's a sod,really,isn't it?

Not wrong there wombat; we definitely treat our animals better than our old people. Personally, I think if there's one charity that deserves a lot more support it's help the aged.
LI is right when he says about the maternity ward being quality & warm & cuddly, if you get my drift.
I imagine people in healthcare love being involved with chilbirth, helping sick children etc & rightly so.
I just wish we took more care of the elderly. I hate seeing old people treated like shit, having their dignity taken from them, makes me really angry.

 

[e77]

If you are trying to imply i'm a racist then you can f*** off you old !!!!.

Ageist then !

 

[bhaexpress]

If you are trying to imply i'm a racist then you can f*** off you old !!!!.

No, not at all, I don't have to try to when I see a post like yours. What must worry you is that many doctors and nurses who staff our hospitals are not Anglo Saxon.

 

[Happy Seagull]

No, not at all, I don't have to try to when I see a post like yours. What must worry you is that many doctors and nurses who staff our hospitals are not Anglo Saxon.

Well please do explain how you figure i'm a racist then?

And i have no problem with the overseas doctors and nurses, in fact i'd like more of them if we can't get them from here. The nhs is definately understaffed in those areas. Get rid of some of the pen pushers and less money would be going down the toilet.

 

[bhaexpress]

You have to be an immigrant to be treated well in this f***ed up country

Well, as you ask, please justify that. I don't see how you've arrived at that conclusion and I'm sure I'm not the only person who thinks the same.

 

[CHAPPERS]

A hospital is like any service organisation - some 'customers' will have good experiences and others will have bad.

Some will have good experiences at the exact same time as others are having terrible ones - it happens in restaurants, it happens in hotels, it happens with ISPs. Wherever humans are involved, the perception of the quality of service both given and received will vary tremendously. It's just the way we are.

Of course, in hospitals it can literally be a matter of life or death, but it's still going to happen.

Just because me, you, anyone had a bad experience does not mean that the organisation providing the service is dreadful - people have bad experiences every day of the year in the very best of class service organisations that this world has to offer. Simultaneously, others will be receiving what they believe to be excellent service.

Of course, the Royal Sussex may well be completely shit, I have no idea. There are poor organisations in every field.

Thank you.

Last nights show was a bit of a misrepresentation to say the least. My mother watched it and was quite shocked at how the hospital was portrayed and how many situation were taken out of context. These programmes are never going to show anything in good light due to the fact that they are exposes and some makers of programmes like that get over excited about the littlest things.

Comments like some on this thread are just downright thick.

''You have to be an immigrant to get treated well in this country''??

f*** sake.

 

[London Irish]

And i have no problem with the overseas doctors and nurses, in fact i'd like more of them if we can't get them from here.

So those are the immigrants who are treated well in this f***ed-up country?

 

[Highfields Seagull]

Get rid of some of the pen pushers and less money would be going down the toilet.

Another myth - that there are too many "pen pushers" in the NHS.

For the size of the organisation the NHS is understaffed in regards to management as well as clinical staff. It has to have people to run the thing.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Another myth - that there are too many "pen pushers" in the NHS.

For the size of the organisation the NHS is understaffed in regards to management as well as clinical staff. It has to have people to run the thing.

Quite.

My mum is on call pretty much every other weekend due to lack on people able to deal with many situations. She goes to work at 8 and rarely gets in before 8 in the evenings. 12 hour days, 5 days and week and then on call every other weekend.

Still, all she does in sit around pushing paper around all day.

 

[Artois]

Well things must have changed somewhat since your poor father passed on. I've had several stints in Worthing Hospital in the last two years and really have no complaints, I was well looked after (and if you knew why I was there it makes my good treatment even more surprising).

But you're not OLD.

 

[Mr Blobby]

The Argus covered this story, since the programme was filmed they have new staff in place.

I deal with the NHS quite a lot through work, whne i first dealt with them it was called Sussex and Surrey Workforce confederation, which then changed to Kent, Sussex and Surrey strategic health authority, which then became Sussex and Surrey Strategic health authority based in Brighton, but that has now moved to Horley. People I know there have had to reapply for there jobs 3 times in 5 years. That is a waste of money!

There is a lot of non clinical staff but running a hospital is a complexed issue, and so is the training of staff.

Its good to expose bad practice, but there should be balanced reporting. The recent programme on Hartlands in Birmingham is where my sister works as a midwife. They do there best but are under resourced and staffed, so these programmes demotivate people who once again work long hours for not particularly good pay.

Anyway go and live in America and pay for all your treatement, then you would probably stop knocking the NHS!

Mr Blobby

 

[Happy Seagull]

Well, as you ask, please justify that. I don't see how you've arrived at that conclusion and I'm sure I'm not the only person who thinks the same.

The immigrants that are allowed to stay here are all given out handouts, and treated very well. Plenty of cases where they've got better treatment than a normal tax paying individual. I have nothing against people coming here to work for a living. No matter what colour they are or where they come from.

There is nothing racist in saying that i think that an immigrant gets better treatment.

 

[Happy Seagull]

So those are the immigrants who are treated well in this f***ed-up country?

If they come here to actually earn their money then i'm ok with that. What pisses me off is when people take handouts and do nothing to earn it.

 

[Happy Seagull]

Another myth - that there are too many "pen pushers" in the NHS.

For the size of the organisation the NHS is understaffed in regards to management as well as clinical staff. It has to have people to run the thing.

More money is probably wasted on red tape etc than is actually pumped into the health of patients.

Chapman - your mum is obviously doing a great job, and i have great respect for some people who work in the NHS (as i know people who do) but i bet for everyone like your mum, there are 2/3 people who do nothing to warrant a job. I'd rather have less management and more cleaners etc.

 

[Monkey Man]

The problem with journalism like this is that it ends up demoralising good staff who are working 110%. The community ends up believing that the hospital is bad from top to bottom and suddenly whenever someone dies it's taken as more evidence that the place has gone to the dogs.

Most NHS staff are great ... above the average you'd expect in other organisations because nobody goes into nursing for the money. There are bad apples but they are rooted out sooner or later.

Yes, they make mistakes, and they are worked too hard. And people will always die in hospitals and relatives will always ask questions when they do.

The country as a whole has to work out a more sensible policy on caring for the elderly than throwing them into NHS beds while they are endlessly asessed and nobody wants, or can afford, to care for them in a manner they deserve.

Now who wants to talk about football?

 

[swindonseagull]

My uncle died in that hospital on sunday (not in the wards shown on tv but in Baily ward) and the staff were great but how can 2 nurses look after 12 old people? Older patients are always more demanding Ie need feeding and cleaning etc...The answer is not to slag of the nursing staff ( saying they eat the food as we all know it will only go in the bin so whats the problem there?) But employ more nurses or Nursing auxileries who can just feed and clean the patients...

My wife is filipina and we met some filipina nurses in the hospital and they were shocked at the state of the hospital, I agreed with them it is a big building site and a shit tip at that..

Eploy more staff that is the answer the "sensationalism" journalism might help raise the profile but thats al it does,,, Oh and that scouse nurse got on my tits .... she was no wonder woman who could look after 12 needy and old patients...

 

[BUTTERBALL]

I have to say, the foreign staff on that programme came across very badly. One of them was ignoring patients, one shouting at them and another was downright rude.

In fact one of them said to the fake nurse that the old lady was okay, when in fact she had just died.

Incredible.

Unfortunately, many of these people are on low wages and as they do not pay very well, they can get no better.

The more senior foreign workers in the NHS (doctors etc) tend to be very good becuase they are well paid and fill a much needed British skills gap.

 

[swindonseagull]

it was just sensation hunting tv..

try and visit the wards to see how hard 2 nurses work looking after 12 elderly patients.

and the "foreign" nurses get paid the same as brits

Just in case you do not know but all Filipino Nurses do a university degree in Nursing not OJT like brits

AND the one who shouted at the guy was indian so he might be a Brit!! who knows?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

A hospital is like any service organisation - some 'customers' will have good experiences and others will have bad.

Some will have good experiences at the exact same time as others are having terrible ones - it happens in restaurants, it happens in hotels, it happens with ISPs. Wherever humans are involved, the perception of the quality of service both given and received will vary tremendously. It's just the way we are.

....... etc.

wise words indeed.

 

[CHAPPERS]

there are 2/3 people who do nothing to warrant a job. I'd rather have less management and more cleaners etc.

You're probably right. She herself complains about people that aren't puling their weight and has callled in many peopel on disciplinaries to sort them out and has fired a fair few in her time. It's just a shame she hasn't the time to weed out some more really (he says, typing away while he's meant to be working).