[Albion] Was the penalty correctly awarded?

[Triggaaar]

Well yes, this is the real point.

So if MOTD were running VAR, they wouldn't have given the penalty, because it's not VAR's job to overturn a subjective decision.

As I’ve said for years, VAR should never have been introduced as football is too subjective. Fouls, handball, even offside, people will always have different opinions on all of these things.

No matter how many rule tweaks they make - VAR will never work.

It would have worked if anyone with a brain was in charge of it. So it can be fixed.

They could run a training session with the refs - if they got them all together in a room (and blew it up) and showed them the footage of many of these decisions, and asked them each (without conferring) to give a percentage as to how sure they are something is or isn't a penalty, then look at the results together, they'll find they're overturning decisions where half of them don't think it's a penalty, and half of those that do are not at all sure.

I like that Howard Webb seems keen to improve things, but so far it's not working. They don't know what they're doing.

 

[BevBHA]

It's not clearly a penalty and not clearly not a penalty.

It's in the grey zone of sometimes given, sometimes not.

Which is why, as it was not given on field, no clear and obvious error was made by the ref, so it was awarded incorrectly

This.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I like that Howard Webb seems keen to improve things, but so far it's not working. They don't know what they're doing.

Howard Webb is stuck in the unenviable position of having to improve standards from an underachieving and protected team.
He can't just throw them all under the bus, as he will undermine his own position.

I remember his interview with Lineker and Shearer, where he stoutly defended Salisbury after his VAR cock up in the Wolves/United game.
Webb: " Salisbury has made a mistake, but he's very good at VAR, one of the best we've got".
Shearer responded with "Wasn't he on VAR for the Spurs Brighton game last season"
Webb( crestfallen) " Yes, he was".
Shearer (unusually) just let teh answer hang there.

Salisbury of course, has now gone on to absolutely suck at being an on field ref too.
But if he's one of the best, it really goes to show what an impossible job Webb has on his hands.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Having watched it a few times I'd say if the replay that the ref sees on the touchline screen doesn't show the poor second touch rom Mudryk then we've been done over. He's knocked it too far ahead of him and Milner has run his natural line and there is a coming together.

The ref has full view of the incident first time round so that may have been his thinking, then VAR persuade him otherwise.

 

[maltaseagull]

The TV commentator an ex player said straight away that it was good defending by Milner and not a penalty so I am siding with him.

(Probably wouldn´t if he said definite pen though!)

It´s a Brighton fans forum so surely we are entitled to wear blue tinted specs!

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

It was a penalty. Milner was too slow and it was clumsy. There was no conspiracy here, Gallgher got sent off giving us an advantage for an hour we did not take, Caicedo challenge was not a red card or there would be 5 red cards every game, it was not a penalty or corner for us. No, we lost this ourselves. Move on

 

[ROSM]

It was a penalty. Milner was too slow and it was clumsy. There was no conspiracy here, Gallgher got sent off giving us an advantage for an hour we did not take, Caicedo challenge was not a red card or there would be 5 red cards every game, it was not a penalty or corner for us. No, we lost this ourselves. Move on

Do you think it should have been a yellow (caicedo's second challenge that is)?

 

[Taybha]

I'm not sure tbh but it definitely wasn't a clear and obvious error by the ref but VAR managed to persuade him it was so he then awarded the penalty,the whole system is worthless and frankly I'm starting to tire of watching any game where VAR is involved so instead of taking in the Brentford game I'm going to watch the U21s v MK Dons instead,the EPL is becoming a bit of a joke and it's not a very funny one.

 

[halbpro]

I think it's probably border line, but obviously a bias.

Bigger question for me is shouldn't Milner have gone in that case? He's the last defender, Mudryk would be one on one with Steele. That is DOGSO and while we have the double jeopardy rule now, that's only if he's making an attempt to play the ball. Is he really tying to play the ball at the time of the foul?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Do you think it should have been a yellow (caicedo's second challenge that is)?

No

 

[ROSM]

No

You are indeed the only person I have read with thay view. Even chelsea fans at work have all said it wasba second yellow and he should have been off. They are also divided on whether a pen or not

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

You are indeed the only person I have read with thay view. Even chelsea fans at work have all said it wasba second yellow and he should have been off. They are also divided on whether a pen or not

Caicedo wasn’t booked though, there was some confusion and the yellow card was shown to a player who kicked the ball away. He probably should have been booked for the second challenge but it wouldn’t have been a second yellow card.

 

[ROSM]

Caicedo wasn’t booked though, there was some confusion and the yellow card was shown to a player who kicked the ball away. He probably should have been booked for the second challenge but it wouldn’t have been a second yellow card.

Evening standard and bbc both had him as being booked yesterday

 

[Machiavelli]

Caicedo wasn’t booked though, there was some confusion and the yellow card was shown to a player who kicked the ball away. He probably should have been booked for the second challenge but it wouldn’t have been a second yellow card.

Yes, there's certainly a confusion on this, which is reflected in this article where the match reporter indicates that Caicedo was booked, whereas the player profile indicates that he wasn't.

Ten-man Chelsea hold on to beat Brighton after Enzo Fernández double

Enzo Fernández’s penalty secured a 3-2 win for Chelsea against Brighton at Stamford Bridge after Conor Gallagher was sent off at the end of the first half

www.theguardian.com

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Evening standard and bbc both had him as being booked yesterday

Yes most of the live blogs etc had the yellow going to Caicedo, but it’s been corrected to Badiashile in most match reports. BBC have even updated their in play time line but some of the live blogs still have Caicedo booked in the time line but the yellow showing against Badiashile in the match summary, hence the confusion.

 

[Clive Walker]

It was a penalty. Milner was too slow and it was clumsy. There was no conspiracy here, Gallgher got sent off giving us an advantage for an hour we did not take, Caicedo challenge was not a red card or there would be 5 red cards every game, it was not a penalty or corner for us. No, we lost this ourselves. Move on

exactly as I saw it.

We would be going nuts if we weren't awarded a penalty there.

 

[Triggaaar]

Howard Webb is stuck in the unenviable position of having to improve standards from an underachieving and protected team.
He can't just throw them all under the bus, as he will undermine his own position.

I remember his interview with Lineker and Shearer, where he stoutly defended Salisbury after his VAR cock up in the Wolves/United game.
Webb: " Salisbury has made a mistake, but he's very good at VAR, one of the best we've got".
Shearer responded with "Wasn't he on VAR for the Spurs Brighton game last season"
Webb( crestfallen) " Yes, he was".
Shearer (unusually) just let teh answer hang there.

Salisbury of course, has now gone on to absolutely suck at being an on field ref too.
But if he's one of the best, it really goes to show what an impossible job Webb has on his hands.

I actually don't think our onfield refs are that bad. It's a really difficult job and I doubt I could do it as well as them even if I had a lot of training. But there are two issues where I would be better. I wouldn't put up with the 'us against the world' attitude they seem to have, and I think I could do a better job in VAR without too much training - that's how bad they are. Maybe it's the technology that causes them issues? They've proven themselves as referees on the field, but maybe they have very limited experience working with technology? I don't know, but something's wrong.

Regarding this thread, Talksport were discussing the penalty this morning and Ally McCoist basically read out my post on here and said it was a coming together, not a penalty in his view, but certainly not a clear and obvious error. Typical injustice against us.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I actually don't think our onfield refs are that bad. It's a really difficult job and I doubt I could do it as well as them even if I had a lot of training. But there are two issues where I would be better. I wouldn't put up with the 'us against the world' attitude they seem to have, and I think I could do a better job in VAR without too much training - that's how bad they are. Maybe it's the technology that causes them issues? They've proven themselves as referees on the field, but maybe they have very limited experience working with technology? I don't know, but something's wrong.

Regarding this thread, Talksport were discussing the penalty this morning and Ally McCoist basically read out my post on here and said it was a coming together, not a penalty in his view, but certainly not a clear and obvious error. Typical injustice against us.

Also interesting to find out that the laws on restarts is that we should have had a corner..
The drop ball took all the sting out of a very hostile and volatile situation.

 

[Bodian]

Also interesting to find out that the laws on restarts is that we should have had a corner..
The drop ball took all the sting out of a very hostile and volatile situation.

Interesting indeed. And seems to go against what's been posted on here. I haven't managed to track down the actual law - other than Law 8.

 

[Triggaaar]

Also interesting to find out that the laws on restarts is that we should have had a corner..

Someone here said they were correct to give a drop ball to them after our penalty was ruled out - were they wrong then?