[Albion] Was it a red?

[kevo]

The problem is, I might be persuaded it is a red under the current guidelines, but if so then there are multiple others that are also red and are not given - comes back to ref consistency again and again

Macguire yesterday being the obvious example.

 

[Bodian]

Comfortable with it being a red - but now I've watched back a number if times, I can't help but note that their guy was a bit 'confused' as to which leg this 'dangerous' tackle had caught him. Which would imply that there wasn't actually much force behind it.

 

[worthingseagull]

Macguire yesterday being the obvious example.

And now caicedo in the final - ridiculous refereeing

 

[Blue3]

Planting your studs into someone’s lower leg is dangerous.

I obviously agree but Gilmore won the ball thetackled player was falling away and was raising his leg 6 of one half dozen of another

 

[W3D]

He gets away with it, “I don’t know where they got 9 mins from” I f***ing do, why dont interviewers pull him up on it, its basically gaslighting. I don’t know why there were only 2 mins in the first half? Our trainers must have been on for 3 minutes with Welbeck. The officials were a joke yesterday, Tarkoski could have had 3 yellows, getting used to it now.

Yup, agree with everything you've said

 

[Littlemo]

Yesterday I was in agreement with it being a red but after seeing Maguire and now Caicedo’s challenges, I’m not that sure anymore. Gilmour was the least dangerous of all of them.

I wonder if either of these are worth anything as evidence to appeal?

 

[Bodian]

Yesterday I was in agreement with it being a red but after seeing Maguire and now Caicedo’s challenges, I’m not that sure anymore. Gilmour was the least dangerous of all of them.

I wonder if either of these are worth anything as evidence to appeal?

Probably not - they'll just say 'it's subjective'.

 

[Sheebo]

Dunky has it right. Can see both ways. I don’t think anyone saying 100% one way or the other is being fair. It’s debatable and a soft red or yellow - not a clear and obvious red.

 

[BrightonCottager]

Ouch. That was a red, just as Harry Maguire's should have been yesterday, but he plays for ManUre.

 

[Pete Skinner]

stonewall red i’m afraid, and i’d be screaming for that if it was the other way round

Yep I agree, not as bad as last week as he didn’t go in with the same force - but studs up, it’s dangerous and reckless

 

[HeaviestTed]

Red but if we had lost then definitely not a red.

 

[schmunk]

It's a blue all day* for me.




*10 minutes

 

[Milano]

At the time I thought red, just. Now after watching the other 2 very similar ‘tackles’ this weekend I haven’t a clue, what I do know is that the level of consistency in our ‘top’ refs is non-existent.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Anyone who thinks that a red - Please feel free to post an equivalent red from this season in the Premier League……..

Here you go. Basically identical.

 

[JBizzle]

Just because other tackles weren't given red cards doesn't make this less of a red card. Sure, there's no intent or malice (but that's irrelevant), yes he got some of the ball first (also irrelevant), but his studs ended up planted half way up the opposition players calf. It's a red card all day long.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Just because other tackles weren't given red cards doesn't make this less of a red card. Sure, there's no intent or malice (but that's irrelevant), yes he got some of the ball first (also irrelevant), but his studs ended up planted half way up the opposition players calf. It's a red card all day long.

This explains the red perfectly, and my thoughts.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

In football, the idea is that you have to kick the ball yeh?

And if you kick a ball, at some stage the mechanical action of your leg motion means that at some stage your foot will be over the height of another players foot yeh?

And in football, the idea is that another player might be challenging to kick the same ball, which means that if they get there just about second, there's a chance they might get kicked with the follow through yeh?

When did we become so sensitive to this?

I don't know what the guidance given to refs is. But as a viewer, I think the law should be ....

Normal attempt to play ball. Ball won. Player caught in follow through. No foul.
Normal attempt to play ball. Ball not won. Player caught in follow through. Foul. Yellow card.
Attempt to play ball. Player caught in follow through. Contact unnaturally high. Foul. Yellow card
Attempt to play ball. Excessive force used when playing the ball, with likely intention to intimidate or injure opponent. Foul. Red card.

 

[Baldseagull]

Here you go. Basically identical.

The difference is the force. Gilmour pulls his foot away, but unfortunately not before making contact, I still think its a red card for Gilmour, but the one you show is a worse challenge, with far more force, and no attempt to pull out, not identical.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

In football, the idea is that you have to kick the ball yeh?

And if you kick a ball, at some stage the mechanical action of your leg motion means that at some stage your foot will be over the height of another players foot yeh?

And in football, the idea is that another player might be challenging to kick the same ball, which means that if they get there just about second, there's a chance they might get kicked with the follow through yeh?

When did we become so sensitive to this?

I don't know what the guidance given to refs is. But as a viewer, I think the law should be ....

Normal attempt to play ball. Ball won. Player caught in follow through. No foul.
Normal attempt to play ball. Ball not won. Player caught in follow through. Foul. Yellow card.
Attempt to play ball. Player caught in follow through. Contact unnaturally high. Foul. Yellow card
Attempt to play ball. Excessive force used when playing the ball, with likely intention to intimidate or injure opponent. Foul. Red card.

Agree, but that isn't the guidance.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

The difference is the force. Gilmour pulls his foot away, but unfortunately not before making contact, I still think its a red card for Gilmour, but the one you show is a worse challenge, with far more force, and no attempt to pull out, not identical.

Splitting hairs.

You're (obviously) never finding two separate incidents that are literally identical - but every single thing that myopic Albion fans have claimed of Billy's tackle, is true of that one. No clear intent / average force / both get a little of the ball / both catch the opponent's standing foot above the ankle. (And of course, the myopic Liverpool fans also claimed it was unfair).

Both very clear red cards.