[Albion] Was it a red?

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

It was umpire's call probably. If he'd given a yellow I'm not sure VAR would have overturned it.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Plant, hit…..it was dangerous to do what Gilmour did and therefore it’s a red. Thats all there is to it

it's a red by the letter of the law. No complaints about that

"Plant" implies a level of force that could have broken a player's leg.
That didn't happen.
If you watch the challenge, Billy pulls his leg back as soon as he feels contact.

Billy mitigates against any danger from the impact, because he didn't "plant" his studs in the opponents leg.

 

[sydney]

MOTD Richards says red because it is dangerous (Lineker: "But football is dangerous"), Lineker says not a red, Wright completely confused but makes the point that Maguire's was more aggressive.

plus Maguire's head weighs more than Gilmour

 

[Lenny Rider]

Yellow all day.

Like almost any other foul, you can find an angle to call red.

Even in the cold light of day I’m with you Hugo.

But looking at the voting stats it’s clearly a game of opinions.

Apologies if fixtures,

Can we appeal?

Does he miss Rome?

Whilst he wasn’t having his best of days he’s clearly one of most improved players this season, not sure Potter would have got the same tune out of him?, and I believe he’s pivotal to our midfield engine room.

 

[Da Man Clay]

Even in the cold light of day I’m with you Hugo.

But looking at the voting stats it’s clearly a game of opinions.

Apologies if fixtures,

Can we appeal?

Does he miss Rome?

Whilst he wasn’t having his best of days he’s clearly one of most improved players this season, not sure Potter would have got the same tune out of him?, and I believe he’s pivotal to our midfield engine room.

Be a waste of an appeal. It’s a red. Would get an extra game for a frivolous appeal.

No doesn’t miss Rome.

 

[Curious Orange]

Can we appeal?

Does he miss Rome?

Yes, as it was a straight red.

And, no he doesn't miss Rome, as the suspension is from domestic competition.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

not for me guvnor

 

[Curious Orange]

Would get an extra game for a frivolous appeal.

That isn't a given, they'd more likely just say no.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

it's a red by the letter of the law. No complaints about that

"Plant" implies a level of force that could have broken a player's leg.
That didn't happen.
If you watch the challenge, Billy pulls his leg back as soon as he feels contact.

Billy mitigates against any danger from the impact, because he didn't "plant" his studs in the opponents leg.

The word plant does not imply a level of force: it implies the placing of something in a specific position or location:

Plant: to place something or yourself in a particular place or position.

Besides, we both agree it was a red according to the law of the game ….which is what me, you and the ref should be following.

 

[Swimboy64]

Even in the cold light of day I’m with you Hugo.

But looking at the voting stats it’s clearly a game of opinions.

Apologies if fixtures,

Can we appeal?

Does he miss Rome?

Whilst he wasn’t having his best of days he’s clearly one of most improved players this season, not sure Potter would have got the same tune out of him?, and I believe he’s pivotal to our midfield engine room.

Improved,I agree. He has improved a lot but when watching him I ask myself what does he actually do and have I ever seen him make much happen. He keeps things pretty safe for himself,short pass back from where he’s received it,doesn’t seem to have many assists or goals in relation to amount of appearances and will only turn with the ball if he is in acres. Saying that he can pass so hope the other stuff comes

 

[Javeaseagull]

I’m with Dunk on this, it could be a red or a yellow, ref’s decision and he was in a good position. Just hope that if he had seen Maguires tackle he would have given him a red as well. Very little difference to me.

 

[highflyer]

Even in the cold light of day I’m with you Hugo.

But looking at the voting stats it’s clearly a game of opinions.

Apologies if fixtures,

Can we appeal?

Does he miss Rome?

Whilst he wasn’t having his best of days he’s clearly one of most improved players this season, not sure Potter would have got the same tune out of him?, and I believe he’s pivotal to our midfield engine room.

To be fair, I voted red, mainly because I don't want us to be that type of fan base that can never see anything wrong with our own players. In reality, and seeing it properly, which I couldn't from the north stand when it happened*, I would say it could have gone either way, red or yellow, and would not have been overturned by VAR. So: 'soft, but c'est la vie'.


*which is exactly why those sanctimonious claims that 'you can't have an opinion if you weren't at the game' are such bollocks

 

[Uh_huh_him]

The word plant does not imply a level of force: it implies the placing of something in a specific position or location:

Plant: to place something or yourself in a particular place or position.

Besides, we both agree it was a red according to the law of the game ….which is what me, you and the ref should be following.

"Plant into" was the term used.
For billy to plant his studs into the opponents leg, far more force would have been required.

Your implication was unfair.

 

[Affy]

I don’t think it’s a red. No intention or malice just late. They always look worse when slowed down and freeze framed. It’s one of those “orange” fouls which VAR likely would have agreed with whatever was given on field. Shame to miss 3 games on the back of it.

 

[Flounce]

I think Gilmour’s and Maguire’s are both right slap bang in the grey areas that football struggles to accept exist in the rules and the speed of play.

They are both subjective calls and slow-mo doesn’t help convey the context, intent and force.

I don’t have too many complaints as Gilmour’s foot is high, accidentally or not you have a responsibility to your opponent not to have any height or studs showing in your tackle / contact.

Quite but where the refs are shit is that if it’s a big club player it’s not a red, small club, then nailed on red. Frustrating but just the way it is and always will be. Most refs are bottlers with decisions against big clubs, especially when they are at home imo

 

[zefarelly]

Based on the current guidance it's a red all day long. However, by the same token Maguire should have gone too.

As an aside who on earth edits Match of The Day highlights as such they don't include Lamptey header off the line? Bizarre!

Having just seen the MotD replay its a red, I didn't think so when I first saw it yesterday, but a different angle.

I got the impression from BBC editors they wouldn't have shown the game at all if they hadn't been contractually obliged. 2 minute lowlights and that was it. Our goal aside.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I’ve only watched the 3 minute highlights on Sky but I don’t see a foul let alone a red card. Yes, there is contact with one leg but it doesn’t amount to much. The Everton player then exaggerates by rolling around as though his other leg has been amputated. I can see why the ref was conned though so no blame on him.

 

[Frankie]

Slightly unfortunate to get a red another ref may have given a yellow,as for VAR intervening if he had produced a yellow then you're in the world of the complete unknown,feel a bit sorry for Billy considering how lucky Tarkovski was to escape 2 yellows.

 

[Sea Cider]

Watched it in the concourse after and it didn’t look a red at all. In the highlights shown in the ground he’s on his feet, in control and competing for the ball. The follow through doesn’t look in any way intentional. It didn’t look to me like serious foul play (see law definition below).

On that tweet it’s a stonewall red. I voted yellow on the poll before I played the tweet video. I’m minded to upgrade. He does, I suppose, endanger the opponent, though not with malice or a lunge.

But there are a lot of angles where it’s yellow at most.

Consistency is once again the issue. Plenty of other refs don’t give a red for the same challenge. And Tarkowski should have had 2 yellows before that which would have changed the course of the game such that Gilmour’s challenge doesn’t happen.

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Side point, but did the person who wrote this rule get paid by the word? Why on earth do they need to complicate it by referencing "front, side or behind"?

As opposed to what? From below, or above?!

And why "with one or both legs"? As opposed to what? No legs?

 

[Hastings gull]

It certainly feels wrong that it gets the same punishment as Mason Holgate’s assault last week

Yes, that was the general opinion near us -ok, if you are going to give a red, but perhaps there should be grades of punishment., though I suppose that would bring a subjective element to the whole issue, and cause even more controversy!