War with Iran?

[captainmorganrum]

What if we are nuked by a non-balistic source? what should blair do? Nuke dublin? Let the chavs choose their enemy on the street?
Kind fucks up your arguements doesnt it?

You think?
So we carpet bomb Iran just in case?
Is that your argument?

Let's face it if (heaven forbid) London is hit by a non-balistic source it will be built from spares from the old Soviet Union not Iran.
Should we give Russia a seeing to then?

 

[RexCathedra]

Slaughtering swarthies without let or hindrance who worship the wrong God has delivered Mr. Bush's party control over both houses of Congress and the White House, albeit with the help of a little fag-bashing.

Why ever stop?

You go with what you know works.

The military weren't able, or willing, to abort the less-than-fully-assed George's Excellent Iran Adventure. Generals who spoke out about inadequacies of planning and resources were sacked. The message of that was clear.

Absent this war hysteria, the sheeple here might actually notice that their country is being asset-stripped in a nation-state-level replay of the corporate takeovers of the 90's.

We're turning into a nuclear-armed Argentina.

And "Iraq" is Arabic for "Malvinas".

 

[looney]

Bull. The iraqi 'armed forces' and police are totally infiltrated by the 'insurgents'.
What was it happened at Fallujah again, oh yes. The US put the iraqi forces in control and they all promptly turned their weapons over to the insurgency and joined them. hence the f***ing mess that there is in that city now.

First ive heard of this? Got a link?

 

[looney]

Earlier on, someone suggested you had been a right wing sheep for swallowing the WMD argument and you attempted to defend yourself with a bunch of f***ing NOISE.

I was saying that WMD was a side issue for me. Obviously its a main one for you tryant lovers. WMD or no WMD doesnt matter a bit IMO Its not the reason I supported the war and still do..

 

[looney]

So that would be the tyrant that most on the left opposed from day one whilst most of your fellow right wing travellers like shrub, thatcher and rumsfeld enthusiastically supported him then would it?

Enthusiastic support? Try the perceived lesser of 2 evils, its called international diplomacy. Oh and and the Soviets were a major backer of Saddam a well as a certain well known former labour MP.

Theres a massive difference between what you think and what you know isn't there?

 

[Richard Whiteley]

Very amusing thread, especially after re reading Looney's WMD have been found one the other day.

You are being, have been and will be forever, how is it you say? Owned?

 

[Marc]

Well I tend to be right on these sorts of things.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4180087.stm


Oh and Iran isn't our allie. Shit how can you nerds form any sensible opinion if you dont know who our friends and enemies are?

had to laugh at this quote underneath the pic:
"Iran says its military is prepared for a US strike on its nuclear sites"

yeah BRILLIANT, go US!!! Just bomb another country and to top it off bomb thier NUCLEAR sites just to cause more widespread destruction.....BRILLIANT!

 

[readingstockport]

Enthusiastic support? Try the perceived lesser of 2 evils, its called international diplomacy. Oh and and the Soviets were a major backer of Saddam a well as a certain well known former labour MP.

Theres a massive difference between what you think and what you know isn't there?

You would know about differences between what you think and what you know. I never said that Russia had not supported Saddam, just like I've never denied the French did. It's you who consistently tries to distance yourself from the support that you and your fellow right wing travellers provided to Saddam, not me.

I source my information from sources like the Washington Post, the CIA press releases and pentagon press releases, and slightly more investigative websites than the kind of militia sites you seem to favour.

Oh, that's at least the second time you have repeated the libel about Galloway and you never did appologise like you said you would all those months ago if he won his cases. He has won every single one. You really ought to be more careful at times looney.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Reading Looneys increasingly desperate justifications of his heroes debacle in the cradle of civilisation has really cheered me up.

So Looney what chance the Bush will be able to impose US style democracy on Iraq. And what chance that Iraq continues to slide to a long, bloodthirsty civil war.

 

[looney]

You would know about differences between what you think and what you know. I never said that Russia had not supported Saddam, just like I've never denied the French did.

True, what you said was that most leftwingers opposed Saddam, this is plainley false especially as he has implemented a brand of arab socialism.

It's you who consistently tries to distance yourself from the support that you and your fellow right wing travellers provided to Saddam, not me.

What distance? at the time I reckon the US was right to back saddam against a greater evil, Khommani's Iran. I also think it is right to remove Saddam.


Try not to manipulate semantics to much to attempt to justify your weak arguement. Back does not mean support, its a choice of 2 evils.
Circumstance change, enlightened people can change there veiws acordingly.

I source my information from sources like the Washington Post, the CIA press releases and pentagon press releases, and slightly more investigative websites than the kind of militia sites you seem to favour.

Oh good so you'll have no problem providing a link then, if its true.

I look at a lot more than militia sites but then if it offers comfort to your prejudices, beleive what you like, truth optional as usual.



Oh, that's at least the second time you have repeated the libel about Galloway and you never did appologise like you said you would all those months ago if he won his cases. He has won every single one. You really ought to be more careful at times looney.

All I posted was Galloway was a supporter of Saddam, I also took him to task for saying that he hoped british troops were killed. Both of these are true and no libelous. As far as I can remember I didn't mention the Telegraph.
YOU are the one that needs caution in what you post.

 

[readingstockport]

Well looney I don't have them to hand right now and quite frankly I can't be arsed to trawl through my home computer to find links to prove once again that you are talking the same kind of bullshit you alway seem to spout.

You are incapable of acknowledging that you have lost the argument over the supposed justification for the war, you are incapable of acknowledging that bush and bliar lied to lead our 2 countries to war - you just try to twist the argument to a position where you can trot out a justification on a different basis.

There really is no point in trying to argue with you, you are simply either too blind, blinkered or naieve to bother with any more. On this point regarding the war I leave you to your simplisitic right wing dogma, enjoy it while you can.

 

[looney]

You do the useual line in dirty leftwing debating Voroshit and it wont wash.

Reading Looneys increasingly desperateIncreasingly desperate? Correcting misconceptions like this one. justifications of his heroesHeroes? debacle in the cradle of civilisation has really cheered me up.

So Looney what chance the Bush will be able to impose US style democracy on Iraq. And what chance that Iraq continues to slide to a long, bloodthirsty civil war.

Theres not going to be a civil war and there will be an ISLAMIC democracy. You have your perceptions distorted by the whining Grauniad and Independent who thrive on bad news.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Another hit direct on the nose there then Looney. We all know when you're upset cos you start with the Grauniad insults.

Anyway do you really think that with the Sunni population boycotting the elections democracy can take hold. Couple that with the US using there new Iraqi militia, who they've recruited from the Shia's in the south, against the Sunni's in Falluja and you really do seem to have the ingredients for civil war

 

[looney]

You dont know when youve lost do you?

Well looney I don't have them to hand right now and quite frankly I can't be arsed to trawl through my home computer to find links to prove once again that you are talking the same kind of bullshit you alway seem to spout.

Something like that would been news, I didn't hear it so I will assume its bull. I dont often ask for proof and the fact its not posted here leads me to beleive its all or mainly bullshit.

You are incapable of acknowledging that you have lost the argument over the supposed justification for the war, you are incapable of acknowledging that bush and bliar lied to lead our 2 countries to war - you just try to twist the argument to a position where you can trot out a justification on a different basis.

You are incapable of acknowledging that I made no such arguement as WMD was not my main arguement. You are the one who's argueing on what you think I said or beleive other than what I actually said or do

There really is no point in trying to argue with you, you are simply either too blind, blinkered or naieve to bother with any more. On this point regarding the war I leave you to your simplisitic right wing dogma, enjoy it while you can.

Yes someone like you who relys on twisting semantics, contexts, rhetoric and plain old falsehoods is wasting there time with someone like me who is trying to refer to the facts.

Yes Bush/Blair wear wrong to argue on the WMD premise beyond propoganda purposes, did they lie? Who the f*** knows for sure? The Intelligence orgs f***ed up thats certain.


On that point you'll run away as I have answered all your points and the ONE challenge I made of your arguement you produce Zilch. Thats an intellectual arse wopping in my book.

 

[readingstockport]

You dont know when youve lost do you?

Something like that would been news, I didn't hear it so I will assume its bull. I dont often ask for proof and the fact its not posted here leads me to beleive its all or mainly bullshit.

On that point you'll run away as I have answered all your points and the ONE challenge I made of your arguement you produce Zilch. Thats an intellectual arse wopping in my book.

Sorry but I can't leave it at that. So because your ears are so full of right wing shit you can't hear the opposing view it was obviously never reported and hence bull.

Don't be silly looney. You've been comprehensively owned in this thread once again. If you admited it perhaps I could feel pity for you instead of contempt.

 

[looney]

Another hit direct on the nose there then Looney. We all know when you're upset cos you start with the Grauniad insults.

Anyway do you really think that with the Sunni population boycotting the elections democracy can take hold. Couple that with the US using there new Iraqi militia, who they've recruited from the Shia's in the south, against the Sunni's in Falluja and you really do seem to have the ingredients for civil war

You really dont understand Arabs do you? The battle for Falluja was the closest to a civil war(In fact over time if things pan out as I suggest you will probably claim it as such). It aint going to happen.

 

[looney]

Sorry but I can't leave it at that. So because your ears are so full of right wing shit you can't hear the opposing view it was obviously never reported and hence bull.

Cant take your humiliation can ya bitch?

Go on then, post a credible link and "own" me, heh, useless lying sap.

I'm sure if the Iraq army were handing over their wepeons to the insurgents you would have no problem prooving it.

Go fetch it Fido, Jump Boy!

 

[Tom Bombadil]

You really dont understand Arabs do you? The battle for Falluja was the closest to a civil war(In fact over time if things pan out as I suggest you will probably claim it as such). It aint going to happen.

I suggest you don't understand arabs or the history of islam if you don't think they can split on sectarian lines. Add in an ethnic grouping in the North (Kurds) seeking independance and the interference of Iran and Syria and you have the ingredients for a new Lebanon.

 

[looney]

Heh, you hope Voro you hope.

Hasn't happened in Afghanistan has it? Or indonesia?

 

[Tom Bombadil]

No I hope it doesn't happen, because that will mean the death and suffering of innocent men women and children.

Indonesia is hardly comparable to Iraq, it didn't need the invaion of a foreign army to produce democracy. It still has it's ethnic tensions though and a number of regions seeking independence, with some sort of armed resistence.

Afghanistan has been returned to the Warlords, who can go back to cultivating opium and conducting minor territorial wars while the US man in Kabul can pretend to be ruling them.