[Travel] Virgin Atlantic to cut 3,000 jobs and quit Gatwick

[ATFC Seagull]

Indeed. It would be a good outcome if travel was cut drastically. I'm moving towards the idea of a personal and business allowance for emissions, albeit it slowly. Say every individual has 100 'units' a year ( don't ask me what a 'unit' equates to ) and each business has 250 'units' per year per employee. Pleasure trip to New York - that'll be 40 units please sir. You want to drive to Scotland and back - that's going to cost you 5 units. Employers would use their credits for employees to travel to and from work and for business meetings that require travel. Once you've run out of units then you can't do certain things - such as fly. That way wealth plays no part in the scheme. Obviously the likes of HT would be rather curtailed ( that might be a good thing ). Requires work but I'd be supportive of the principle.

This bit highlights my overall concern with everyone's sudden enthusiasm with working from home.

As I've said on another thread, working from home has been a nightmare. I live in a small 2 bed house with a 2 year old and a 5 year old running around. I have a desk at the end of my bed, which means I am spending most of my working day staring at my bed, and then bedtime staring at my workplace. And I am very aware that I am lucky to have more space than many people I know.

I know this thread is about virtual meetings replacing long distance travel for face to face meetings, but the idea of doing them from home, rather than the office, is creeping in. I'm concerned that we are going to come out of this with loads of people saying "that was great, let's do it all from home in the future", and inevitably the people who are making those decisions are likely to be older and more well off - so probably have a nice house with a decent workspace, and less likely to have young kids running around.

 

[Arthur]

Indeed. It would be a good outcome if travel was cut drastically. I'm moving towards the idea of a personal and business allowance for emissions, albeit it slowly. Say every individual has 100 'units' a year ( don't ask me what a 'unit' equates to ) and each business has 250 'units' per year per employee. Pleasure trip to New York - that'll be 40 units please sir. You want to drive to Scotland and back - that's going to cost you 5 units. Employers would use their credits for employees to travel to and from work and for business meetings that require travel. Once you've run out of units then you can't do certain things - such as fly. That way wealth plays no part in the scheme. Obviously the likes of HT would be rather curtailed ( that might be a good thing ). Requires work but I'd be supportive of the principle.

Can you imagine how that would apply to footballers.....

Right lads we've gone to penalties if we've get through we've Dynamo Ruskyteam away.

How many units will that be boss?

30

I've only got 40 left and the missus wants to go to Dubai in the summer.

 

[Diablo]

Yawn

You may think so but doubt employees do ! (or ex employees)

 

[Icy Gull]

You may think so but doubt employees do ! (or ex employees)

Classic, I’m alright Jack attitude from the poster you are quoting.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Yep and will affect the wider local area as well. One of the dads in my daughter's class at school in Portslade work(ed) for Virgin. On 8 weeks unpaid at the moment but this is surely his cards and money.

I think we'll all be flying a lot less when this is all over anyway. I have a semi-regular work trip to Edinburgh that I did with BA. If they pull out as seems likely it'll be a choice between Easyjet (probably hard to book, EDI was a very busy commuter route), expensive train that takes the best part of a day or video conference. I think unless face to face is 100% necessary all my old trips will go to VC.

I worked for a very big telco we went down this route 15 years ago for a lot of meetings and 10 years ago it was for the vast majority (95%+) , surprised that people travel in this day and age for work. Downside is that people lose a bit of the contact but the job got done probably a lot more efficiently and cheaply. The other downside was that I ended up on too many calls as it was easy to set up and steal my time.

 

[Chicken Run]

Good idea. An allowance.

But anyone who choses to have a child or has had a child in the past loses 50% immediately.

The Greenest thing is to not have children and we need to reward people not to have children

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-fight-climate-change-have-fewer-children

TBF I think the birth rate is falling in this country anyway, certainly no need to have anymore than two imho, I have 3 btw[emoji23]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-49192445

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[Icy Gull]

TBF I think the birth rate is falling in this country anyway, certainly no need to have anymore than two imho, I have 3 btw[emoji23]


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It could go up dramatically after this lockdown is over though

 

[worthingseagull123]

TBF I think the birth rate is falling in this country anyway, certainly no need to have anymore than two imho, I have 3 btw[emoji23]


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Look at the figures in the article.

Why should the childless be expected to sacrifice because breeders have to have children?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Good idea. An allowance.

But anyone who choses to have a child or has had a child in the past loses 50% immediately.

The Greenest thing is to not have children and we need to reward people not to have children

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-fight-climate-change-have-fewer-children

Good luck getting your state and, if you have one, company pension. They both require something like a 5:1 quota of people paying in to people being paid a pension thus meaning each generation needs to be bigger.

 

[Weststander]

This bit highlights my overall concern with everyone's sudden enthusiasm with working from home.

As I've said on another thread, working from home has been a nightmare. I live in a small 2 bed house with a 2 year old and a 5 year old running around. I have a desk at the end of my bed, which means I am spending most of my working day staring at my bed, and then bedtime staring at my workplace. And I am very aware that I am lucky to have more space than many people I know.

I know this thread is about virtual meetings replacing long distance travel for face to face meetings, but the idea of doing them from home, rather than the office, is creeping in. I'm concerned that we are going to come out of this with loads of people saying "that was great, let's do it all from home in the future", and inevitably the people who are making those decisions are likely to be older and more well off - so probably have a nice house with a decent workspace, and less likely to have young kids running around.

A brother of mine works as a project manager. He worked from home due to lockdown where luckily he has tons of space and spare rooms, but he couldn’t wait to go back to a proper office where he could concentrate solely on work, compartmentalise work from private time.

You’re not alone.

 

[Chicken Run]

Look at the figures in the article.

Why should the childless be expected to sacrifice because breeders have to have children?

I agree the childless in this country should be rewarded


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[Westdene Seagull]

This bit highlights my overall concern with everyone's sudden enthusiasm with working from home.

As I've said on another thread, working from home has been a nightmare. I live in a small 2 bed house with a 2 year old and a 5 year old running around. I have a desk at the end of my bed, which means I am spending most of my working day staring at my bed, and then bedtime staring at my workplace. And I am very aware that I am lucky to have more space than many people I know.

I know this thread is about virtual meetings replacing long distance travel for face to face meetings, but the idea of doing them from home, rather than the office, is creeping in. I'm concerned that we are going to come out of this with loads of people saying "that was great, let's do it all from home in the future", and inevitably the people who are making those decisions are likely to be older and more well off - so probably have a nice house with a decent workspace, and less likely to have young kids running around.

As I say, needs work but I'd support the principle. Maybe employers could take into account employees that struggle to have the right working environment at home when using their credits. May parents could use some of their children's credits to get them to work ?

Can you imagine how that would apply to footballers.....

Right lads we've gone to penalties if we've get through we've Dynamo Ruskyteam away.

How many units will that be boss?

30

I've only got 40 left and the missus wants to go to Dubai in the summer.

And they of course would be employer credits to go and play Ruskyteam so the trip to Dubai could be fine.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Good luck getting your state and, if you have one, company pension. They both require something like a 5:1 quota of people paying in to people being paid a pension thus meaning each generation needs to be bigger.

I’ll survive.

But the ration system, with points removed for having children is fair.

People can still have children, they just cant fly, drive or eat meat as much as the child free.

Surely that is fairest?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

As posted elsewhere - Gatwick is completely screwed.

I think the VA/BA announcement will end up cost the local area close to 50k jobs

Vhols has also merged with atlantic - will only sell joint venture holidays

Loan incoming I imagine

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I’ll survive.

But the ration system, with points removed for having children is fair.

People can still have children, they just cant fly, drive or eat meat as much as the child free.

Surely that is fairest?

So children shouldn't get an allowance ? Are they not human beings as well ?

You're not going to survive if the government has no money to pay state pensions and your company scheme crashes due to not enough people paying in. And for both those schemes to survive requires people to have children.

 

[Arthur]

Going by the excellent Paul Barber last night, football and the many 1000’s of businesses (100,000 jobs) that rely on it, could be one of them. Starved of ticket income, broadcasting income dependent on a restart.

I was on the zoom call with him last week and he made a very similar point and highlighted that TB has basically seen ALL of his businesses grind to a halt.

On that we know he has deep pockets but no one really knows how deep? Barber also commented that the club was going to make a considerably loss this year but it will now be much higher.

We all seem to think we are in this protective bubble because of TB (m|b)illions but are we really? I'm not suggesting for a second anything underhand is going to happen and I'm eternally grateful to that man for every single penny he has put in but if your so called safe hands in certain verticals are in danger over this are we in a position to be so laid back about the predicament of football in general but also much closer to home?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Going to be pretty well the last business to come out of lockdown. Airlines, travel agents, tour operators and resorts are going to be crucified

Resorts aside, any who survive could benefit big time in the long run though either with being the ones with the set up to profit or as acquisitions for investment companies

After this is over airlines will be completely in the driving seat

That FOC name change? Now £100 - there will be no GOGW anymore.

You want us to fly to Barbados? The fees doubled for the local government.

Less comp more monopoly.

 

[worthingseagull123]

So children shouldn't get an allowance ? Are they no human beings as well ?

You're not going to survive if the government has no money to pay state pensions and your company scheme crashes due to not enough people paying in. And for both those schemes to survive requires people to have children.

No. Part of the parents allowance would move to the childrens.

I have an inheritance that is set a side for my retirement.

Don’t need to worry about pensions.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

As I say, needs work but I'd support the principle. Maybe employers could take into account employees that struggle to have the right working environment at home when using their credits. May parents could use some of their children's credits to get them to work ?

Just to play devil's advocate, if that was the case and I was restricted in my ability to travel for leisure because, in effect, I can only afford a small house, then I would probably move up north and buy a bigger one. I'm a public sector worker (when things get back to normal I can't really work from home anyway to be honest) and already making a sacrifice (house size) to live in Brighton, I wouldn't take another.

Don't get me wrong, I am massively in favour of measures to restrict carbon emissions, I like the idea of a quota for leisure travel, but I don't think people's work should come into it if it was to remain fair - especially if the reason is because they should try to work more from home.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Just to play devil's advocate, if that was the case and I was restricted in my ability to travel for leisure because, in effect, I can only afford a small house, then I would probably move up north and buy a bigger one. I'm a public sector worker (when things get back to normal I can't really work from home anyway to be honest) and already making a sacrifice (house size) to live in Brighton, I wouldn't take another.

Don't get me wrong, I am massively in favour of measures to restrict carbon emissions, I like the idea of a quota for leisure travel, but I don't think people's work should come into it if it was to remain fair - especially if the reason is because they should try to work more from home.

I obviously haven't made my point successfully. The leisure credits would belong to individuals but the work credits to the employer. So if an employer decided having you in the office ( for whatever reason but maybe because you don't have the correct environment to work from home ) then your employer would spend THEIR credits getting you to the office, and hopefully back !