[Travel] Virgin Atlantic to cut 3,000 jobs and quit Gatwick

[Weststander]

Bet they close the south terminal entirely.

This nails Gatwick’s Second Runway obsession, possibly forever.

 

[Icy Gull]

It had been covered on the general aviation/Covid-19 thread - https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?379678-Aviation-industry-and-Covid-19 - but appreciate it merits its own discussion from a local interest perspective.

It sounded like Norwegian won't be operating long-haul for some time too, so Gatwick is going to take a big hit for those North America and Caribbean leisure routes.

Used to be a “bucket and spade” airport, it could be heading back that way

 

[Westdene Seagull]

This nails Gatwick’s Second Runway obsession, possibly forever.

Maybe it could go the other way. Heathrow doesn't get the extra runway due to protests etc ( and PMs lying in front of bulldozers obviously ) which opens up Gatwick as the next best choice.

 

[Chicken Run]

What amazes me is after a just couple of months these travel business’s are quite literally ****ed!






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[Giraffe]

It's a massive blow for Gatwick Airport and their staff as it is hard to see this recovering for a very long time.

However it may well prove the right thing for the environment and our planet. Nature finds a way.

 

[Chicken Run]

Maybe it could go the other way. Heathrow doesn't get the extra runway due to protests etc ( and PMs lying in front of bulldozers obviously ) which opens up Gatwick as the next best choice.

This has been discussed on here in detail prior to the lockdown, they were planning to operate the emergency runway for smaller planes for takeoff’s only, in line with the main runway with a view of eventually shifting the centre line of the main slightly south so meeting the separation requirements of the CAA for parallel runway operations.




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[Weststander]

Maybe it could go the other way. Heathrow doesn't get the extra runway due to protests etc ( and PMs lying in front of bulldozers obviously ) which opens up Gatwick as the next best choice.

Hopefully neither, as you’ve mentioned in several excellent posts, the UK may awaken to the feasibility and benefits of WFH. That’s only business travel, but perhaps this is the end of flights costing a few quid plus APD, enticing travellers to fly back and forth across Europe on holiday multiple times a year. There are stats out there showing a small proportion of UK tourists are taking a huge number of such flights each per annum. [Not picking on [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION] .... Albion loyalist].

 

[Giraffe]

Never liked the way Virgin operated. Right at the beginning when they operated their one B747-100, the oldest 747 flying, they had an aloofness about them.

I think they just set their stool out to be the best but affordable. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I'll be sad not to use them from Gatwick to the US.

 

[Weststander]

What amazes me is after a just couple of months these travel business’s are quite literally ****ed!



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As with PL and EFL football, they don’t carry large cash reserves. Hugely expensive to run businesses, a few weeks of zero income is destroying airlines across the globe.

 

[Chicken Run]

As with PL and EFL football, they don’t carry large cash reserves. Hugely expensive to run businesses, a few weeks of zero income is destroying airlines across the globe.

Makes sense, seems madness to me!


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[Beach Hut]

BA and Virgin are trying to increase the pressure on a Government bail out

 

[FatSuperman]

I think they just set their stool out to be the best but affordable. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I'll be sad not to use them from Gatwick to the US.

Oh dear Mr Giraffe, I think you mean 'set out their stall'. Your dyslexia is getting wh0res.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

I think they just set their stool out to be the best but affordable. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I'll be sad not to use them from Gatwick to the US.

[SUP][/SUP]

It was the people that were trod on to get it which I remember. I'm well out of the industry now but as I said I had direct contact back in the day.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Hopefully neither, as you’ve mentioned in several excellent posts, the UK may awaken to the feasibility and benefits of WFH. That’s only business travel, but perhaps this is the end of flights costing a few quid plus APD, enticing travellers to fly back and forth across Europe on holiday multiple times a year. There are stats out there showing a small proportion of UK tourists are taking a huge number of such flights each per annum. [Not picking on [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION] .... Albion loyalist].

Indeed. It would be a good outcome if travel was cut drastically. I'm moving towards the idea of a personal and business allowance for emissions, albeit it slowly. Say every individual has 100 'units' a year ( don't ask me what a 'unit' equates to ) and each business has 250 'units' per year per employee. Pleasure trip to New York - that'll be 40 units please sir. You want to drive to Scotland and back - that's going to cost you 5 units. Employers would use their credits for employees to travel to and from work and for business meetings that require travel. Once you've run out of units then you can't do certain things - such as fly. That way wealth plays no part in the scheme. Obviously the likes of HT would be rather curtailed ( that might be a good thing ). Requires work but I'd be supportive of the principle.

 

[Arthur]

Makes sense, seems madness to me!


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They had some industry expert on Sky News yesterday who said he expected 4-500 of the 800 airline companies in this country to go belly up.

Complete tinderbox of an industry but I can't believe its going to be the only one.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Sad for all its employees. But probably good for our children and the planet !

Yawn

 

[Weststander]

Indeed. It would be a good outcome if travel was cut drastically. I'm moving towards the idea of a personal and business allowance for emissions, albeit it slowly. Say every individual has 100 'units' a year ( don't ask me what a 'unit' equates to ) and each business has 250 'units' per year per employee. Pleasure trip to New York - that'll be 40 units please sir. You want to drive to Scotland and back - that's going to cost you 5 units. Employers would use their credits for employees to travel to and from work and for business meetings that require travel. Once you've run out of units then you can't do certain things - such as fly. That way wealth plays no part in the scheme. Obviously the likes of HT would be rather curtailed ( that might be a good thing ). Requires work but I'd be supportive of the principle.

That’s more equitable than less flying simply from supply and demand, in new era of far more expensive flights. The wealthy able to carry on as before, without a reduced carbon footprint.

 

[Icy Gull]

They had some industry expert on Sky News yesterday who said he expected 4-500 of the 800 airline companies in this country to go belly up.

Complete tinderbox of an industry but I can't believe its going to be the only one.

Going to be pretty well the last business to come out of lockdown. Airlines, travel agents, tour operators and resorts are going to be crucified

Resorts aside, any who survive could benefit big time in the long run though either with being the ones with the set up to profit or as acquisitions for investment companies

 

[worthingseagull123]

Indeed. It would be a good outcome if travel was cut drastically. I'm moving towards the idea of a personal and business allowance for emissions, albeit it slowly. Say every individual has 100 'units' a year ( don't ask me what a 'unit' equates to ) and each business has 250 'units' per year per employee. Pleasure trip to New York - that'll be 40 units please sir. You want to drive to Scotland and back - that's going to cost you 5 units. Employers would use their credits for employees to travel to and from work and for business meetings that require travel. Once you've run out of units then you can't do certain things - such as fly. That way wealth plays no part in the scheme. Obviously the likes of HT would be rather curtailed ( that might be a good thing ). Requires work but I'd be supportive of the principle.

Good idea. An allowance.

But anyone who choses to have a child or has had a child in the past loses 50% immediately.

The Greenest thing is to not have children and we need to reward people not to have children

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-fight-climate-change-have-fewer-children

 

[Weststander]

They had some industry expert on Sky News yesterday who said he expected 4-500 of the 800 airline companies in this country to go belly up.

Complete tinderbox of an industry but I can't believe its going to be the only one.

Going by the excellent Paul Barber last night, football and the many 1000’s of businesses (100,000 jobs) that rely on it, could be one of them. Starved of ticket income, broadcasting income dependent on a restart.