[Travel] Virgin Atlantic to cut 3,000 jobs and quit Gatwick

[Westdene Seagull]

I have nothing against people having children. It is their choice.

I merely pointed out that it is the least green thing to do.

If people want to propose moronic ideas about carbon allowances etc, then lets look at what causes the most harm.

Then they get triggered, defensive and they fail to acknowledge that they are the causing the biggest carbon issues

The biggest carbon issues are adults not children.

Adults drive cars.
Adults decide to fly.
Adults change their mobile phones every two years.
Adults turn up the heating a few degrees.
Adults chop down forests.
Adults have bonfires.
Adults build on greenfield sites.
Adults drill for oil.
Adults produce chemicals.

None of these activities are carried out by children. Yet your answer is to punish people that have children not people that carry out these activities.

 

[Baldseagull]

How clever and funny of you. Making suicide jokes.

Moron.

It's not a joke, but neither was it intended as a call to action, just an almost as ludicrous solution to the climate change issue.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

The biggest carbon issues are adults not children.

Adults drive cars.
Adults decide to fly.
Adults change their mobile phones every two years.
Adults turn up the heating a few degrees.
Adults chop down forests.
Adults have bonfires.
Adults build on greenfield sites.
Adults drill for oil.
Adults produce chemicals.

None of these activities are carried out by children. Yet your answer is to punish people that have children not people that carry out these activities.

Here here + people that have more than 3 children maybe..

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[Creaky]

You've yet to answer how pensions will be paid ( obviously for those of us not hoping for a parents to die and leave us loads of money ) ?

That’s an easy one - immigration.

The average age of immigrants to the UK is substantially lower than the general population.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

To be fair, if there could be a silver lining to this shit, it would be that companies finally, at last, take remote working and virtual meetings seriously. Maybe they might just actually invest in remote working solutions and start to work in the twenty first century.

There are loads of benefits :

> Less travel so good for the environment
> Reports show employees are more productive with flexible working
> Reports show employees tend to have a better home / work life balance with flexible working
> Reduced costs to employers for real estate and services. IBM and Capita have made the active policy of closing as many offices as possible. In fact IBM only own one site in the UK now.

It's always infuriated me companies not allowing work from home or sending employees on trips for meetings that could easily be conducted over VC.

This.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Here here + people that have more than 3 children maybe..

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Agreed. I'm a supporter of only replacing yourself - so a couple should only have a maximum of two children. What I don't agree with is punishing children for their parents 'sins' - something some bloke in Worthing thinks is acceptable.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The biggest carbon issues are adults not children.

Adults drive cars.
Adults decide to fly.
Adults change their mobile phones every two years.
Adults turn up the heating a few degrees.
Adults chop down forests.
Adults have bonfires.
Adults build on greenfield sites.
Adults drill for oil.
Adults produce chemicals.

None of these activities are carried out by children. Yet your answer is to punish people that have children not people that carry out these activities.

Also this. And if having kids is the least green thing to do....and we stop doing it.....er....that's the end of the human species. FFS.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Surely the greenest thing to do at this point in your life would be to end it? #notaserioussuggestion.

Indeed. On the 'one out, one in' green principle. All managed by the Central Committee. Yes, that's exactly how to manage the population.

 

[schmunk]

It's not a joke, but neither was it intended as a call to action, just an almost as ludicrous solution to the climate change issue.

Jonathan Swift is way ahead of you - https://books.google.co.uk/books/do...ut=pdf&sig=ACfU3U0CaCixEU1_NrXd6xyNB-JXABsPdw

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Very sad for Crawley. Reminded me of when I moved (back) to Sussex in the late 80s after living in areas of high unemployment. I remember the papers were full of reports that Crawley had a desperate shortage of labour and that jobs were aplenty. How things change.

 

[vegster]

Also this. And if having kids is the least green thing to do....and we stop doing it.....er....that's the end of the human species. FFS.

We need to get the transmission rate down to 1.5 for a few decades.

 

[Diablo]

The biggest carbon issues are adults not children.

Adults drive cars.
Adults decide to fly.
Adults change their mobile phones every two years.
Adults turn up the heating a few degrees.
Adults chop down forests.
Adults have bonfires.
Adults build on greenfield sites.
Adults drill for oil.
Adults produce chemicals.

None of these activities are carried out by children. Yet your answer is to punish people that have children not people that carry out these activities.

All of those activities are carried out by Adults that were once children. Adults that don`t have children, don`t produce Adults !

 

[vegster]

Very sad for Crawley. Reminded me of when I moved (back) to Sussex in the late 80s after living in areas of high unemployment. I remember the papers were full of reports that Crawley had a desperate shortage of labour and that jobs were aplenty. How things change.

Had to work in Crawley for about 18 months, didn't like it. Lots of violence between Pakistani youths and White youths, lots of tit for tat beatings. Car crime rampant, left my car there while travelling up to a works do in London and came back at 11.30 pm to find my drivers window stoved in and my radio stolen. There was a tatty cinema/bowling alley place in town, every Monday as I drove in there to park you would see all the piles of glass from broken in cars.... The local Macdonalds manager was held up a knife point locking up one night..... Someone leaving a kebab shop in the high street had his throat slit from behind... charming place.

 

[Questions]

So remind me again what the whole point of this points scheme is?

If its that easy to get around then everyone will.

Cor...... you’ve got some faith.

 

[thedonkeycentrehalf]

Nice to see this thread derailed in true NSC style.

For all those who seem to be celebrating the demise of Virgin Atlantic and Gatwick Airport, how about giving a thought for all those who have been told they will lose their jobs today. Then think about all the businesses that rely on VA and Gatwick who are also likely to lose their jobs.

This isn't just a Crawley thing either, many people commute to Gatwick for work and many of the supporting businesses are based around Sussex.

Also, some companies choose to be based within a certain radius of Gatwick to enable them access the airline network. If that is no longer an option, they may choose to move away from Sussex which then has further impact on our economy.

 

[Baldseagull]

Had to work in Crawley for about 18 months, didn't like it. Lots of violence between Pakistani youths and White youths, lots of tit for tat beatings. Car crime rampant, left my car there while travelling up to a works do in London and came back at 11.30 pm to find my drivers window stoved in and my radio stolen. There was a tatty cinema/bowling alley place in town, every Monday as I drove in there to park you would see all the piles of glass from broken in cars.... The local Macdonalds manager was held up a knife point locking up one night..... Someone leaving a kebab shop in the high street had his throat slit from behind... charming place.

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Sounds like Crawley of the '80's, it was no worse than Brighton of the time, and is not so bad these days.

 

[Washie]

Also this. And if having kids is the least green thing to do....and we stop doing it.....er....that's the end of the human species. FFS.

TBF, that is the best thing for the planet.

 

[Chicken Run]

Nice to see this thread derailed in true NSC style.

For all those who seem to be celebrating the demise of Virgin Atlantic and Gatwick Airport, how about giving a thought for all those who have been told they will lose their jobs today. Then think about all the businesses that rely on VA and Gatwick who are also likely to lose their jobs.

This isn't just a Crawley thing either, many people commute to Gatwick for work and many of the supporting businesses are based around Sussex.

Also, some companies choose to be based within a certain radius of Gatwick to enable them access the airline network. If that is no longer an option, they may choose to move away from Sussex which then has further impact on our economy.

What about the 100’s of Gatwick Airport Cars Taxi drivers, they are going to see a massive drop in their business.


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[mikeyjh]

This bit highlights my overall concern with everyone's sudden enthusiasm with working from home.

As I've said on another thread, working from home has been a nightmare. I live in a small 2 bed house with a 2 year old and a 5 year old running around. I have a desk at the end of my bed, which means I am spending most of my working day staring at my bed, and then bedtime staring at my workplace. And I am very aware that I am lucky to have more space than many people I know.

I know this thread is about virtual meetings replacing long distance travel for face to face meetings, but the idea of doing them from home, rather than the office, is creeping in. I'm concerned that we are going to come out of this with loads of people saying "that was great, let's do it all from home in the future", and inevitably the people who are making those decisions are likely to be older and more well off - so probably have a nice house with a decent workspace, and less likely to have young kids running around.

I think the reality will be somewhere in between, rented office space may be more of a 'thing', allowing one shorter travel distances and more flexible costs a desk is required - You're absolutely right that WFH cannot be the answer for everyone (even if the job allows it) but many organisations were in the long term process of reducing fixed office space, this is going to exponentially increase this, no doubt. I think it was the Barclays CEO (?) who said that the era of the big office building is over.

For the employee, many who were previously uncomfortable previously with home working will have had their eyes open to it. Some will still be reluctant but I suspect it will become less optional going forward.

Back on to airlines, business travel as we knew it is dead and therefore the airline industry is going to look very very different, people are going to be flying less. On topic, dreadful news for Gatwick & West Sussex etc but no bad thing for the climate, of course.

 

[sydney]

grim.....total cluster ****