[Albion] Vile racist language in the South Stand

[BN9 BHA]

You've let yourself down....your family down, but more importantly, you've let me down. Waste of bandwidth.

 

[birthofanorange]

Shrug all you like, you look like a fool.

 

[BN9 BHA]

Shrug all you like, you look like a fool.

In your opinion, you are the one that’s started with the personal insults.
I think you are just on this thread looking for arguments, but not actually that good at it.
Shouting the loudest doesn’t make you right

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

To vent my frustration of my daugher going through it.
The club have also been written to as I don't want such behaviour putting off others attending.
The kids name has not been called so what's the issue, just scroll past.

2. Why wait until half time?
I asked my daughter and she didn't feel comfortable leaving mid way through. She's anxious enough at the best of times. Yes I could've confronted them but that risks an argument which I didn't want her to see. If it were just me I would've dealt with it on the spot.
Maybe I should've raised it earlier, there you go - an imperfection in my parenting skills.

3. I've only posted a few times in many years?
I do apologise to this poster. Can I not watch and observe? I guess I'm in need of a social media mentor. Sadly from your comments, I wouldn't waste time sending your CV.

4. A poster mentioned it's only me that said it?
This was the very reason I also asked the stewards/police to ask my daughter direct so it was not 'just me' as I knew this would be claimed.
Perhaps too many people are afraid to stand up for the crap that may come with it. Fortunately I am not this person, but a person that was raised knowing right from wrong and parenting on this way too.

If I'm unfortunate enough to hear this again I will be sure to get the camera out and take minutes. Your wisdom is appreciated.

Daughter was still referring to how nasty this was til bed time. She knows right from wrong you see, the difference between parenting a child to respect v a parent that shouts blacky/I'm going to rape your arse. I thought society had moved, perhaps I need to widen my net.

It's now with the club so thanks for letting me vent! To all those of you who are against such abuse and hatred I'm thankful for the responses.

If any admin can turn off posts that would be appreciated as I don't want the good folk of you wasting your time responding to those who see this as a non issue.

Nobody thinks it is a non issue. Life isn’t straightforward though. Your tone lacks empathy. However you have exposed some interesting attitudes to mental health on here. It’s been a worthwhile debate but perhaps leave it to the club now rather than fanning the flames any further.

 

[dazzer6666]

1. Why post here?
So others are made aware this is going on and not enough is being done.
To vent my frustration of my daugher going through it.
The club have also been written to as I don't want such behaviour putting off others attending.
The kids name has not been called so what's the issue, just scroll past.

2. Why wait until half time?
I asked my daughter and she didn't feel comfortable leaving mid way through. She's anxious enough at the best of times. Yes I could've confronted them but that risks an argument which I didn't want her to see. If it were just me I would've dealt with it on the spot.
Maybe I should've raised it earlier, there you go - an imperfection in my parenting skills.

3. I've only posted a few times in many years?
I do apologise to this poster. Can I not watch and observe? I guess I'm in need of a social media mentor. Sadly from your comments, I wouldn't waste time sending your CV.

4. A poster mentioned it's only me that said it?
This was the very reason I also asked the stewards/police to ask my daughter direct so it was not 'just me' as I knew this would be claimed.
Perhaps too many people are afraid to stand up for the crap that may come with it. Fortunately I am not this person, but a person that was raised knowing right from wrong and parenting on this way too.

If I'm unfortunate enough to hear this again I will be sure to get the camera out and take minutes. Your wisdom is appreciated.

Daughter was still referring to how nasty this was til bed time. She knows right from wrong you see, the difference between parenting a child to respect v a parent that shouts blacky/I'm going to rape your arse. I thought society had moved, perhaps I need to widen my net.

It's now with the club so thanks for letting me vent! To all those of you who are against such abuse and hatred I'm thankful for the responses.

If any admin can turn off posts that would be appreciated as I don't want the good folk of you wasting your time responding to those who see this as a non issue.

What do you know about the perpetrator?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Agreed but if your child was within earshot of such vile language would you wait until H/T to move her from it ? .

i can understand why someone would wait until a suitable moment to move.

How come no one else in that area has said anything on here about it ?

Maybe they didn’t hear, maybe they don’t post on here or maybe they have better things to do tonight?

 

[birthofanorange]

In your opinion, you are the one that’s started with the personal insults.
I think you are just on this thread looking for arguments, but not actually that good at it.
Shouting the loudest doesn’t make you right

No, you're the one that suggested that either myself/family member was autistic, so I think it's fair to say that you made it 'personal'.
Couple that with the implied 'threat' (lol) of what would happen if I called you a dick (which you clearly are) to your face, just makes me see you as even more pathetic.
But please, do carry on.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I’m not sure this thread is of any benefit to the OP ..people are just slinging mud at each other

Perhaps peeps should call it a night and see if they feel better in the morning

 

[Horses Arse]

Define the meaning of 'challenge'? Do you mean the removal of said person from 'polite society' because their words offend you? Perhaps if there's a physical threat to to your/your family's well-being?
I'm interested to know.

You sound like you are deeply affected by something. So I wish you well with whatever ails you to this extent.

 

[birthofanorange]

I’m not sure this thread is of any benefit to the OP ..people are just slinging mud at each other

Perhaps peeps should call it a night and see if they feel better in the morning

Agreed.

 

[LockStock]

OK then. I'm afraid that I am rather cynical and defensive when I hear autism being used as an excuse for bad behaviour. The fact that he could suddenly control himself in the second half suggests a lack of parental/responsible adult control rather than any issues that the lad may have. Autistic people usually love rules so they should make some for him.

Great generalisation of all autistic people, dick head.

 

[BN9 BHA]

No, you're the one that suggested that either myself/family member was autistic, so I think it's fair to say that you made it 'personal'.
Couple that with the implied 'threat' (lol) of what would happen if I called you a dick (which you clearly are) to your face, just makes me see you as even more pathetic.
But please, do carry on.

Others on here have defended the autistic child as they have said they have autistic children, one person has mentioned they worked with autistic children.

I was “guessing” (wrongly) that you were offended because this also applied to you, you bit at my first post.
But it would be interesting for the thread to know why you are such an expert on autistic young children that shout racist language in public.

I didn’t threaten you.
But I think if you have the balls to insult someone on a keyboard because they reply to posts I believe you need the balls to say it to their face.

 

[TugWilson]

1. Why post here?
So others are made aware this is going on and not enough is being done.
To vent my frustration of my daugher going through it.
The club have also been written to as I don't want such behaviour putting off others attending.
The kids name has not been called so what's the issue, just scroll past.

2. Why wait until half time?
I asked my daughter and she didn't feel comfortable leaving mid way through. She's anxious enough at the best of times. Yes I could've confronted them but that risks an argument which I didn't want her to see. If it were just me I would've dealt with it on the spot.
Maybe I should've raised it earlier, there you go - an imperfection in my parenting skills.

3. I've only posted a few times in many years?
I do apologise to this poster. Can I not watch and observe? I guess I'm in need of a social media mentor. Sadly from your comments, I wouldn't waste time sending your CV.

4. A poster mentioned it's only me that said it?
This was the very reason I also asked the stewards/police to ask my daughter direct so it was not 'just me' as I knew this would be claimed.
Perhaps too many people are afraid to stand up for the crap that may come with it. Fortunately I am not this person, but a person that was raised knowing right from wrong and parenting on this way too.

If I'm unfortunate enough to hear this again I will be sure to get the camera out and take minutes. Your wisdom is appreciated.

Daughter was still referring to how nasty this was til bed time. She knows right from wrong you see, the difference between parenting a child to respect v a parent that shouts blacky/I'm going to rape your arse. I thought society had moved, perhaps I need to widen my net.

It's now with the club so thanks for letting me vent! To all those of you who are against such abuse and hatred I'm thankful for the responses.

If any admin can turn off posts that would be appreciated as I don't want the good folk of you wasting your time responding to those who see this as a non issue.

IF this is aimed at me then i will simply say your daughter should never be put in such a position , and anyone offending her should be removed IMEDIATELY . However you chose to wait until H/T , totally your prerogative , but having two daughters of my own i would have acted IMEDIATELY .

My suggestion of a picture/Video or sound recording were purely based on common sense not the wish to cause offense . And my comment about how few posts you had over a 7 year period were with regard a very recent and similarly infrequently used account that was used to attack not only this site but The Albion itself .

In short i sincerely hope your daughter is not distressed in any way , unfortunately people such as you described do exist , and this site should prove to you that they are not tolerated under any circumstances . Best Wishes to you both .

 

[birthofanorange]

I was “guessing” (wrongly)

Yes, and I am leaving it there.

 

[brighton_dave]

IF this is aimed at me then i will simply say your daughter should never be put in such a position , and anyone offending her should be removed IMEDIATELY . However you chose to wait until H/T , totally your prerogative , but having two daughters of my own i would have acted IMEDIATELY .

My suggestion of a picture/Video or sound recording were purely based on common sense not the wish to cause offense . And my comment about how few posts you had over a 7 year period were with regard a very recent and similarly infrequently used account that was used to attack not only this site but The Albion itself .

In short i sincerely hope your daughter is not distressed in any way , unfortunately people such as you described do exist , and this site should prove to you that they are not tolerated under any circumstances . Best Wishes to you both .

Cheers fella. No hard feelings.
My twitter postings are even less.
Certainly got myself in some situations standing up for what's right in my youth! Don't get me started in mother and baby bays...
Take care....

 

[sydney]

you want inclusivity , thats part of it ......get over it ffs.

"blackies"..? i don't think i have ever heard anyone use that term and i agree with others who have said a sharp look over your shoulder or a quick forceful word with his guardian may have stopped the kids language and negated the need for this embarrassing outpouring of indignant piffelry over the ramblings of a damaged child.

wtf has happened to people , so easily offended and yet so incapable of standing up for themselves ...pathetic.

 

[BN9 BHA]

Yes, and I am leaving it there.

So also don’t want to tell anyone on the thread about how you are such an expert on autistic young children……but happy to call others out for simply having an opinion.

No further questions your honour.

 

[Oh_aye]

Took my 11 year old daughter to the game today in the South stand and felt dreadful for doing so given the vile language from behind.
A lad of perhaps 7 or 8 behind us was vile throughout the first half using language such as "F off blackies", "I'm going to rap* your mum up the arse", "I'm going to rap* you in your arse", with "you wanke*s" probably being the most mild of trash talk for which there were too many to remember.
Not a word of correction was said by the adults he was with and the language continued for the entire half. I did say to my daughter about moving but she didn't want to miss any of the game.
Spoke with the stewards at half term who moved us and placed someone in our place to monitor the language. We were asked to stick around to speak with the Police after the game. On speaking with the police they advised due to age etc there is nothing that can be done but that it had been recorded. The adults he was with were friends of family and the boy apparently has complex needs - autism. The guy he wad with was actually not of white origin himself which surprised me more. Perhaps he didn't feel comfortable correcting a friends child.
Apparently no such language was heard in the 2nd half and the lad was allowed to remain in the stadium.
I'm absolutely disgusted as this has not been dealt with by either the responsible (wrong choice of word) adults or the club. It seems to be have allowed to go because the lad had autism. I myself have another child with ADHD and would have taken her out of the ground, not that she would know or use that language.
Hearing that for 45 minutes is awful and my daughter could of course not understand why it was tolerated. I didn't say anything at the time and did not want confrontation in front of her.
I get there is bad language, I was a season ticket holder on the North for years, but to hear this is something you don't expect. I also took both my daughter and wife to the Liverpool cup game in the North and there was nothing at this level. She's massively into football and started to get her dad's love for the Albion, but I feel ashamed that she's had to hear that.
Also felt sorry for the Japanese lad next to me who had to hear such racist language.
Not sure we will return anytime soon.

Would appreciate admin correcting the title as noticed the misspelling!

No one can tell you what your experience has been, and only you can really tell whether you feel justified in posting this on here. And I have total empathy with you as someone who has a young daughter who I take occassionally and if you feel you had an awful time you'll feel angry and upset. So i say this with the greatest of respect;

So many answers are in your own message. You were told that the person was autistic and as someone who has personally worked with hundreds of autistic people over the last 12 years it almost certainly should make you rethink your position. And it could also have been a great teaching moment for you and your daughter to take the time to explain that this was almost certainly why this person behaved this way rather than being outraged.

As you'll almost certainly know autism is a broad spectrum and can include high articulate individuals who can clearly express themselves and understand the consequences of their actions to those with limited or no verbal capabilities or speech that is mimicking others with no clear pattern.

I've no idea who that person or those with him were. Maybe he was just an arsehole, and the people with him didn't care and were also arseholes. or maybe he was a person trying something out for the first time, very autistic, from a deeply trauma informed background and the people with him knew what his triggers are and were hoping for some slack from those around him. 'Complex Needs' in, sorry to he vulgar, but industry speak usually means this is the case. And you even say that the non white person with him, was not taking offence so you can perhaps surmise from that they he is not assuming he's genuinely a racist, and is almost certainly there to support him.

I hope this doesn't seem too blunt, I've made a few assumptions of my own, and I genuinely mean no offence but at the end you say 'we won't be back' as if you got served a bad sandwich on a a train and have written to the customer services department looking for a refund. But this seems like a human situation and there seems to be a lot of context you've chosen to ignore out of understandable frustration at having a really unpleasant day. It's not normal for this to happen in the stadium so it's an unusual situation that is unlikely to be repeated. So 'Dissappinted from Tunbridge Wellsing it' isn't really going to have any impact.

I get it, that a ruined precious day with your daughter is a ruined day, but I hope you can find a bit of time to revisit the context and talk to your daughter about it.

 

[birthofanorange]

So also don’t want to tell anyone on the thread about how you are such an expert on autistic young children……but happy to call others out for simply having an opinion.

No further questions your honour.

*sigh*
I really can't be arsed, because you're not actually interested.
Suck up your superiority and chill.
I hate putting anyone on ignore, but I'll lump you in with Bag O'Shite and that nasty racist fella. Ciao.

 

[Billy the Fish]

So also don’t want to tell anyone on the thread about how you are such an expert on autistic young children……but happy to call others out for simply having an opinion.

No further questions your honour.

I assume that you, and everyone else with an opinion, has access to this child's medical records?

Otherwise it might seem a bit daft making wild assumptions and an autism diagnosis without them.

All we really know is that the OP reported it and the stewards made a judgement. Trust the stewards to do their job.