[Albion] Verbruggen or Rushworth in goal for Friday evening

[tstanbur]

No he's not been relegated to cup keeper - they've played 4 PL games this year and he's been the keeper for all of them. The only game he's not been their keeper for was in the cup against Morecombe.

He's not been dropped despite being despised and making a lot of errors. Bart is young and has potential still, so dropping him for a few errors would be a mistake.

Sanchez was dropped for their last league game v West Ham.

 

[tstanbur]

Bart.

He's had far fewer f*** ups than calamity Sanchez, but Chelski have stuck with him.

It must be close. Anyone got the stats for big errors leading to goals this season? Bart must be on about five so far.

Edit: found them and I was spot on. Four in the league and one last night.

Same as Sanchez.

 

[Triggaaar]

Trouble is if he continues to make them, and it’s more than a few for me, Palace, Arsenal, Fulham, Forest etc….. his confidence will get more damaged and then it is an even longer journey back.

I get you can argue both ways, but I think it would also freshen him up a bit.

Those who work with him at the club are in the right place to see if the mistakes have got to him and he needs a break. If that's the case, then fair enough, but as fans we can't see that (well I can't), so dropping him for being crap doesn't seem like the right move, unless there's more to it.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Those who work with him at the club are in the right place to see if the mistakes have got to him and he needs a break. If that's the case, then fair enough, but as fans we can't see that (well I can't), so dropping him for being crap doesn't seem like the right move, unless there's more to it.

Very fair post, can’t argue any of that

 

[Triggaaar]

Very fair post, can’t argue any of that

Don't worry, someone will

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

As has been pointed out, Rushworth couldn’t get in to the Hull side so why anyone would play him on Friday is beyond me

 

[P.C. Beard]

As has been pointed out, Rushworth couldn’t get in to the Hull side so why anyone would play him on Friday is beyond me

He was injured, it wasn't through choice.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

He was injured, it wasn't through choice.

Which means he hasn’t been playing for most of the season which again is a good reason not to play him.
Tom McGill has played the most so would on playing time be the choice but not sure that playing for MK Mongs is a reason to start either.

 

[Lifelong Supporter]

Bart. Obviously FH needs to have a word with him and see how he feels but yes we stick with him unless Bart wants to step down for a bit. We won the game after all and go into the next round. If Rushworth comes in, out of fairness it would need to be for a few games and there is too much of the season left to choose to play a 'rookie' keeper at PL level.

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[Lady Whistledown]

His mistake last night reeked of a player whose confidence is shot. I’d imagine winning last night will give Bart and his teammates a much needed boost.
Stick with him.

It's funny, isn't it? If we'd lost last night, NSC would have been rife with this debate, and people suggesting Rushworth should start on Friday (as indeed I found myself pondering during the game). Because we went on to win, it's not really dominating our thoughts. Just as if we'd held on against Wolves at home, nobody would have remembered Wieffer's misplaced pass. Instead, we biffed a two goal lead, and Wieffer became the target of all sorts of disparaging comment both here and elsewhere. Isn't it crazy how the bigger picture affects our perspective?

Hopefully the victory will act as a bit of a confidence booster for all the players, Bart included. I don't think he's been great recently, albeit most of his errors have been with his feet rather than his hands, which somehow feels slightly more forgivable for a keeper. Any more errors and I think Rushworth may well get a chance. But I'm fairly certain Hürzeler will stick with Bart for now after the win.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Bart keeps the shirt As the only viable option.
Rushworth couldn’t even get in the Hull side.

He was injured.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Those who work with him at the club are in the right place to see if the mistakes have got to him and he needs a break. If that's the case, then fair enough, but as fans we can't see that (well I can't), so dropping him for being crap doesn't seem like the right move, unless there's more to it.

Nobody thinks he's crap (Ok, you might find some immediate hysterical take on the matchday thread, but nobody in the light of day thinks that).

Those talking about the possibility of changing keeper are just talking about taking an out of form player out of the limelight. It's a legitimate conversation given the last few weeks

 

[singing4seagulls]

Bart. You build confidence by trusting people even when they make mistakes.

He did well in the rest of the game. A win will help him.

Bart was in the team that rightly beat Chelsea. You play that person again when you go to play the Chelsea a week later.

It's not time to unsettle the defence with a brand new keeper.

RDZ system would enable switching, as the defence was used to it. Not now.

 

[herecomesaregular]

Keeper's always a sensitive position. "Resting" an out of form player his age anywhere else in the team wouldn't be a big issue. Taking out a keeper always seems a bit more judgemental. Only the management team can tell if he's suffering and needs a rest. Hope he plays on personally.

 

[UnhingedSeagull94]

Better to go with the devil you know rather than the one you done. Bart all day. Made some good saves after his Rob Green Esau’s blunder.

 

[ChickenDipper]

It's funny, isn't it? If we'd lost last night, NSC would have been rife with this debate, and people suggesting Rushworth should start on Friday (as indeed I found myself pondering during the game). Because we went on to win, it's not really dominating our thoughts. Just as if we'd held on against Wolves at home, nobody would have remembered Wieffer's misplaced pass. Instead, we biffed a two goal lead, and Wieffer became the target of all sorts of disparaging comment both here and elsewhere. Isn't it crazy how the bigger picture affects our perspective?

Hopefully the victory will act as a bit of a confidence booster for all the players, Bart included. I don't think he's been great recently, albeit most of his errors have been with his feet rather than his hands, which somehow feels slightly more forgivable for a keeper. Any more errors and I think Rushworth may well get a chance. But I'm fairly certain Hürzeler will stick with Bart for now after the win.

Human nature. It’s a funny thing.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

It's funny, isn't it? If we'd lost last night, NSC would have been rife with this debate, and people suggesting Rushworth should start on Friday (as indeed I found myself pondering during the game). Because we went on to win, it's not really dominating our thoughts. Just as if we'd held on against Wolves at home, nobody would have remembered Wieffer's misplaced pass. Instead, we biffed a two goal lead, and Wieffer became the target of all sorts of disparaging comment both here and elsewhere. Isn't it crazy how the bigger picture affects our perspective?

Hopefully the victory will act as a bit of a confidence booster for all the players, Bart included. I don't think he's been great recently, albeit most of his errors have been with his feet rather than his hands, which somehow feels slightly more forgivable for a keeper. Any more errors and I think Rushworth may well get a chance. But I'm fairly certain Hürzeler will stick with Bart for now after the win.

I think we’re all guilty of recency bias, I agree that Bart has been shaky recently and coming away from a 7-0 battering, in which the keeper was less than convincing again, he was always going to be promoted to public enemy #1. Last night’s howler hopefully won’t garner too much focus as we got the win, onwards and upwards with any luck.

 

[London Irish]

It must be close. Anyone got the stats for big errors leading to goals this season? Bart must be on about five so far.

Edit: found them and I was spot on. Four in the league and one last night.

Same as Sanchez.

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This is why RDZ rotated him with Steele, he could see Bart wasn’t quite ready for the pressure of a full season. He probably is more ready now than back then but it’s still a learning curve. Bringing in a player with an even higher learning curve is a gamble tho and I personally don’t fancy the odds there

 

[Bold Seagull]

Bart will play unless he gets injured.

 

[darkwolf666]

Would be happy to see Rushworth get a game on Friday with Bart's form being quite indifferent, plus in the league we're drifting to a mid table finish, so IMO worth the risk.

I'm not sure there is anyone at the club, with 14 games to go, that thinks we are drifting anywhere, and doubt team selection will be based on that premise!

Granted, we have f'ed up too many chances this season, but if we can get a bit of consistency back then there is no reason to be looking down at the table...