Veil Row

[Commander]

It would certainly follow the pattern.

If they are oppressed they would not say they were...

Which is exactly what I was getting at. Hmmmm.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I didn't see question time last night, but i have no doubt that the women who are arguing the case don't see it as oppressive.

The point i was trying to make was that in a lot of the societies where the veil is common, it is used as a sign of oppression.

As far as i am aware, Muslims are not required to wear the veil, it is merely an interpretation of the religious teachings which suits a lot of societies who are trying to maintain inequality. By supporting this interpretation, i believe they are inadvertently adding weight to the support of inequality.

Having said all that though, it is down to the individual

*edit* I agree with MOH about shooting Norman Baker




- and all namby pamby fence sitting liberals

 

[Commander]

I may wear a veil to Withdean tomorrow and see if they let me in. Would keep the rain off.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Which is exactly what I was getting at. Hmmmm.

I thought I would spell it out. Hmmmm.
Interesting....
http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/hijab.asp

Modesty is the symbol of faith and whoever has no modesty (Hijab), has no religion.

 

[Man of Harveys]

I may wear a veil to Withdean tomorrow and see if they let me in. Would keep the rain off.

You could maybe get one that goes right over the eyes. In fact, I'll have one please.

 

[Commander]

You could maybe get one that goes right over the eyes. In fact, I'll have one please.

Not a bad idea. And it's not as if it can be any quieter with it on.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

But, the uncomfortable truth is probably that they're hardly likely to stand up and say "my husband and his family much prefer it when I wear this".

The only way to get close to discovering what the truth might be is to engage in dialogue.

That's why I disagree with anyone who says that we should be excluding veiled women from participating in the business of "our" society.

 

[Man of Harveys]

The only way to get close to discovering what the truth might be is to engage in dialogue.

That's why I disagree with anyone who says that we should be excluding veiled women from participating in the business of "our" society.

Christ, so do I.

Just about all countries - certainly all major western ones - are immigrant societies and those immigrants have always shaped them and their values and will always do so.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

The big problem with the veils is, how do you really know it is a woman at all?

You could spend all night buying 'her' drinks, laughing at 'her' rubbish jokes and dirty dancing with 'her' only to find out it was a geezer after all.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

The big problem with the veils is, how do you really know it is a woman at all?

You could spend all night buying 'her' drinks, laughing at 'her' rubbish jokes and dirty dancing with 'her' only to find out it was a geezer after all.

I think a short course on Islamic attitudes to night clubs might be called for.

 

[coventrygull]

Christ, so do I.

Just about all countries - certainly all major western ones - are immigrant societies and those immigrants have always shaped them and their values and will always do so.

I wonder where they will park the crane. Preston Park may be

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I think a short course on Islamic attitudes to night clubs might be called for.

What?

 

[Gully]

Not sure Commander, I have no real reason to disbelieve them but they could have been lying. If you asked a female friend or colleague if they had ever been subjected to abuse by a male partner/husband or whatever, how many would tell you that they had? I think in our culture if a man ordered a woman to dress in a particular way then that might be seen as abuse, my concern would be that some muslim women may be wearing the veil at the behest of their husband and not through personal choice, surely society should voice its concern at that.

An interesting comment was made by a woman on QT that women wearing veils was descrimination against men, denying them the opportunity to see their faces when that of the male was visible, an interesting take on the situation and one that had never occurred to me.

 

[Hannibal smith]

The veiled women who appeared on Question Time last night were certainly arguing that it was their choice to wear the veil, rather than a symptom of any oppression whatsoever.

35 Minutes they were banging on about the veil on Question time last night. 35 predictably dull minutes. Only to be expected when minor news such as North Korea trying to blow up the world is going on as well as the Iranian president infaming the west. Why does this warrant so much time?

I don't see how the veil helps social integration but I know two things;
(1) If lots of people were telling me not to wear it and how they disliked it, It would harden my resolve to wear one
(2) I want one for Poker. Shame the Koran sees Gambling as a sin otherwise veil wearers would be up there with Devilfish.

 

[chez]

 

[HAMPSHIRE DAVE]

My Dad worked in Oman for ten years.
Even though it was 100+ most days and he was working outside(Aircraft fitter) he was not allowed to wear shorts and had to wear a long sleeve shirt.
IF YOU LIVE IN SOMEBODY'S COUNTRY YOU DO AS THE ROMANS DO!
RELIGION OR NOT!!!
HAMPSHIRE DAVE

 

[Gully]

...umm, I think the Romans raped and pillaged ours for a while, before building homes with underfloor heating and a lovely wall oop norf to try and keep the Scots out.

 

[Northstander]

I might take me bird down to Kabul for a holiday and see what the fuckin wrag heads have to say on the matter!

"Human Rights", if she wants to wear the bikini to show off her beautiful pert mammaries....she should be able to!