Veil Row

[bhaexpress]

Here's a thought, if a hijacker tried to get on a plane wearing a veil they wouldn't be allowed to as they couldn't have their passport checked.

Could work.

 

[timdogman]

I really don't think God (that doesn't exist btw) gives a flying f*** whether anyone wears silly hats or veils!

 

[Rookie]

its one rule for one and one rule for another, wear a hood or a cap in a pub or shopping centre and you get told to take it off but you wear a veil and get asked to take it off its against your human rights. Bloody piss take.

If they want to be here they have to intergrate with our culture not the other way around

 

[Commander]

I don't know - tell me then, how many Muslim women in veils have pulled bank raids recently? Do you regard this as a growing problem?

How many white old ladies have plotted to blow up aeroplanes recently? So should the young muslim man in front of them in the boarding queue be questioned / searched more rigorously than them?

Didn't think you'd agree with that sort of thing, LI.

 

[Hampden Park]

i didnt think it was anything to do with their religion. i was under the impression that they had to cover their faces because of pervy male workers oggling them (going back quite a few years btw). i can never seem to get the letter into the slot

 

[Lord Bracknell]

If they want to be here they have to intergrate with our culture not the other way around

I've always lived in a culture that has tolerated diversity. Sometimes it has celebrated diversity.

When did that change, Rookie?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

My preference when talking to someone is to see their whole face. I can't stand talking to someone who wear sunglasses etc. I guess it is a trust type feeling, seeing someones expressions and their eyes. However, this won't stop me from talking to them and mixing with them!

 

[Gully]

It makes me wonder if the people who are making such a fuss about the veil issue are the same types who go abroad and expect people to speak English, sell our beer/newspapers/disgusting fried breakfasts etc etc, if you want others to integrate in our country then be prepared to do so when you visit theirs.

 

[Commander]

if you want others to integrate in our country then be prepared to do so when you visit theirs.

Which I always do. So your point was?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

It makes me wonder if the people who are making such a fuss about the veil issue are the same types who go abroad and expect people to speak English, sell our beer/newspapers/disgusting fried breakfasts etc etc, if you want others to integrate in our country then be prepared to do so when you visit theirs.

I think it is great going to another country and 'dousing' myself in their culture. I have spent many happy days gallivanting around various countries/continents and indeed I was a resident of Ecuador for 9 months - I took great pride in leaving behind my 'Britishness'. But that was/is a personal choice - it was not enforced upon me.

 

[Lammy]

I thought this was going to be about ethical meat...

 

[Gully]

I was merely musing Commander, I have lived abroad for quite a few years and always attempted to speak the local language and mix in with the local communtiy, despite working in organisations where English was spoken. A large number of my fellow Brits didn't bother to learn more than a word or two of the local lingo, expect to speak English to everyone and were often complaining that things weren't like they were at home. I was wondering if these types of people were exactly the same as those who are currently going on about muslim women who wear the veil not integrating, when they have been guilty of the same thing.

 

[Commander]

I was merely musing Commander, I have lived abroad for quite a few years and always attempted to speak the local language and mix in with the local communtiy, despite working in organisations where English was spoken. A large number of my fellow Brits didn't bother to learn more than a word or two of the local lingo, expect to speak English to everyone and were often complaining that things weren't like they were at home. I was wondering if these types of people were exactly the same as those who are currently going on about muslim women who wear the veil not integrating, when they have been guilty of the same thing.

OK, I see your point. And I agree that Brits who go abroad and refuse to speak the language and moan about it not being like home are idiots. If you don't like it- stay at home! Which is, indeed, exactly the same thing.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I believe that in a lot of places the veil is often used as part of a culture of opressing women and keeping them 'in their place', in societies that have no concept of equality.

So i find it strange that women who are obviously educated and taking their equal place in society are the most vocal about their right to wear it.

Bit like voting for Thatcher 'because she's a woman' even though she did less for women than any other recent PM.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I believe that in a lot of places the veil is often used as part of a culture of opressing women and keeping them 'in their place', in societies that have no concept of equality.

So i find it strange that women who are obviously educated and taking their equal place in society are the most vocal about their right to wear it.

Maybe your belief doesn't apply in the UK.

The veiled women who appeared on Question Time last night were certainly arguing that it was their choice to wear the veil, rather than a symptom of any oppression whatsoever.

 

[British Bulldog]

The veiled women who appeared on Question Time last night were certainly arguing that it was their choice to wear the veil, rather than a symptom of any oppression whatsoever.

It's should be my choice if I want to walk down the street wearing a balaclava but the police dont see it that way.

 

[Gully]

I watched question time, those two women were certainly vociferous about the fact that it was their own choice to wear the veil and not that of their husband. That is my only real reservation about the veil issue, I have always felt that if a woman chooses to wear a veil then so be it, however it is a different issue if she is forced to do so.

 

[Commander]

I watched question time, those two women were certainly vociferous about the fact that it was their own choice to wear the veil and not that of their husband.

Do we believe them?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Do we believe them?

It would certainly follow the pattern.

If they are oppressed they would not say they were...

 

[Man of Harveys]

But, the uncomfortable truth is probably that they're hardly likely to stand up and say "my husband and his family much prefer it when I wear this".

The tolerant liberal in me says "let them wear what they want, it doesn't matter". But the tolerant liberal in me also sees something which covers up women's faces as inherently likely to have been devised by possessive and powerful blokes.

In the end, does it really matter THAT much? I don't want to walk down the road covering up my face (popular though such a move would unquestionably be) so I'm not that fussed about not being allowed to when some Muslim women are. I didn't see any veils once in Pakistan - apart from at the airport when a flight to Saudi Arabia was boarding.

Incidentally, the tolerant liberal in me also wants to SHOOT NORMAN BAKER.