[Misc] Veganism

[Horses Arse]

trouble is some of us tire of being told what we should or shouldnt do and think. and it is political, with calls to tax meat from some quarters.

Who's telling you what to do and think? Or is it the Express, Mail, Sun etc that is telling you that people are trying to tell you what to do and what to think? That's politics for you

 

[Dick Head]

Energy is never "lost", ever, it's just converted to something e.g. noise/heat that's not useful.

I like listening to Rock 'n' Roll in the warm/Jazz in the sauna. It helps me think.

 

[N17]

My daughter was vegan for a long time. It takes some serious dedication and can be very expensive and time consuming.

We eat out quite a lot and she eventually gave up after watching us tuck into some top nosh while the vegan option was very often a bowl of chips.

 

[Marty___Mcfly]

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[Falmer Flutter ©]

Your elephants and rhinos, tigers, alligators and furry animals won't die twice. I'm a vegan who relies on the sacrifice of animals every day. I know that countless animals die or are displaced by agriculture. I know that there are hidden animal ingredients in products that I use every day. I know that vegans sometimes have to rely on medication that contains animal products or has been tested on animals. That might make me a hypocrite but at least I'm trying.

Yep, that's pretty much where I am. I cut out meat, dairy and eggs in the summer, initially for a couple of days a week. Two days became three, three became a week and before I knew it I was following a "vegan" diet every day. However, I've put "vegan" in quote marks as I still wear leather shoes and belt. If that makes me a hypocrite in some people's eyes, then so be it. I really couldn't give a flying. I haven't joined some weird club, I haven't signed up to any rules, I didn't come up with the term "vegan". I just don't want to eat meat, dairy and eggs any more. To steal a current phrase, I have my red lines and I'm happy with them.

Oh, and I take a B12 daily supplement. Not sure it's necessary, but can't see it does any harm (unless one of the "experts" on here proves otherwise). I've found following a vegan diet pretty easy, although I did miss some meals at first, mainly roast pork and crackling and the odd craving for cheese. You adapt and just get on with it. Christmas was surprisingly easy, despite still cooking a turkey, ham, pigs in blankets etc for my guests. No one missed out, everyone was happy.

As for the Gregg's vegan sausage? Never tried one, unlikely to as I never went to Gregg's when I was a meat eater so not sure why I'd want to go now. The vitriol was absolutely baffling though, but then again I'm also a cyclist so nothing surprises me.

 

[GOM]

You almost make it sound like one has to be a vegan to prove you really really care about animals and the environment.
I am sure you don't necessarily believe that, but it is a bit preachy and 'virtue signally'!
In danger of making a political point, it is similar to some on the hard left saying unless you are a socialist you must be a selfish, uncaring so and so.
Life isn't that black and white, so let us have a bit of resonableness and understanding all round.

No that's not what I believe or what I was saying. What I was saying is that I find it really odd how there's such a clamour to discredit or disprove when someone actually acts on their beliefs.
As for your attempt to steer it toward politics I'll just pass on that thanks.

Well this is exactly what you said.

I find it very interesting how people in general can't wait to find fault with those that care, that act on their beliefs, that care about animals and the environment enough to actually do something.

Looking through the thread and you see repeated attempts to discredit what is a pretty noble way of living. It's not a cult or a religion it is people trying to be as good as they can. I really don't understand the angst that this generates.

People really are quite odd.

Apparently it's only vegans that care and are noble and are trying to be the best they can. Maybe that helps you understand the angst

 

[Bakero]

My daughter was vegan for a long time. It takes some serious dedication and can be very expensive and time consuming.

We eat out quite a lot and she eventually gave up after watching us tuck into some top nosh while the vegan option was very often a bowl of chips.

I've heard people saying a vegan diet can be expensive but I don't get this at all.

I spend less than €10 a week on fruit and veg for 2 people. Often it's only about €6. Then a few more on rice, pasta, cous cous, beans, lentils etc.

Cheese, meat and fish are more expensive than fruit, veg and grains.

 

[beorhthelm]

Who's telling you what to do and think? Or is it the Express, Mail, Sun etc that is telling you that people are trying to tell you what to do and what to think? That's politics for you

usually Guardian and BBC, dont read the media you mention.

 

[Bakero]

Well this is exactly what you said.



Apparently it's only vegans that care and are noble and are trying to be the best they can. Maybe that helps you understand the angst

Saying one group cares about something is not the same as saying nobody else cares.

 

[GOM]

Saying one group cares about something is not the same as saying nobody else cares.

Exactly the point

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I've heard people saying a vegan diet can be expensive but I don't get this at all.

I spend less than €10 a week on fruit and veg for 2 people. Often it's only about €6. Then a few more on rice, pasta, cous cous, beans, lentils etc.

Cheese, meat and fish are more expensive than fruit, veg and grains.

I suspect it's the things like dairy substitutes that push the cost up such as vegan butter. Mrs W was interested in looking at tofu as a meat substitute ..... I was surprised at the cost when I went and brought it - thought it would be much cheaper. Thankfully the experiment was hailed a failure so I've not had to buy any more !

 

[Bakero]

I suspect it's the things like dairy substitutes that push the cost up such as vegan butter. Mrs W was interested in looking at tofu as a meat substitute ..... I was surprised at the cost when I went and brought it - thought it would be much cheaper. Thankfully the experiment was hailed a failure so I've not had to buy any more !

Tofu is pretty cheap. What the hell is vegan butter?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Tofu is pretty cheap. What the hell is vegan butter?

https://avirtualvegan.com/easy-vegan-butter/ - Enjoy ! - you can also get similar stuff in supermarkets.

Re tofu, I was just surprised when it was about £2.50 a box and the selection was only from about 3 options. Didn't like it 15 years ago when I last tried it and didn't like it this time.

 

[BLOCK F]

No that's not what I believe or what I was saying. What I was saying is that I find it really odd how there's such a clamour to discredit or disprove when someone actually acts on their beliefs.
As for your attempt to steer it toward politics I'll just pass on that thanks.

HA; I wasn't trying to steer 'it' towards politics and that is why I mentioned the 'danger' in case my words were misinterpreted . Perhaps I should have worded it 'in danger of being accused'. It was merely an analogy.
Too late, and I take note of your rather smug reply.

 

[Bakero]

https://avirtualvegan.com/easy-vegan-butter/ - Enjoy ! - you can also get similar stuff in supermarkets.

Re tofu, I was just surprised when it was about £2.50 a box and the selection was only from about 3 options. Didn't like it 15 years ago when I last tried it and didn't like it this time.

That homemade vegan butter doesn't sound bad.

Tofu lives or dies by the sauce. It can be great if done right.

 

[Falmer Flutter ©]

I've heard people saying a vegan diet can be expensive but I don't get this at all.

I spend less than €10 a week on fruit and veg for 2 people. Often it's only about €6. Then a few more on rice, pasta, cous cous, beans, lentils etc.

Cheese, meat and fish are more expensive than fruit, veg and grains.

Exactly, what the hell are people buying? I suppose some of meat substitute thingies can be pricey, but I tend to steer clear of them most of the time.

 

[Bakero]

Exactly, what the hell are people buying? I suppose some of meat substitute thingies can be pricey, but I tend to steer clear of them most of the time.

As with most things in life, people have found a way to monetise it. If you want a meat substitute, eat a vegetable ffs

 

[Bakero]

A question for any vegans on here. Would you consider eating bivalves, such as clams or oysters? I can't really see much of an ethical argument for avoiding them. Especially as they taste great.

 

[Horses Arse]

HA; I wasn't trying to steer 'it' towards politics and that is why I mentioned the 'danger' in case my words were misinterpreted . Perhaps I should have worded it 'in danger of being accused'. It was merely an analogy.
Too late, and I take note of your rather smug reply.

Must be a vegan eh?

 

[BLOCK F]

Must be a vegan eh?

Or an arse!
No,I don't mean that really!
Hope all goes well for you whatever you are.