Not enough. It doesn't replace the nitrogen for example.
Wrong. Peas, beans or clover, for example, will replace the nitrogen in soil.
Not enough. It doesn't replace the nitrogen for example.
Wait until you learn that they also don't wear leather. Your mind is gonna be blown.
Wrong. Some vegans wear leather (and wool). Second hand leather items reduce the need for further animal suffering by not supporting purveyors of newly manufactured products.
wozzers thats a logical leap. like saying second hand cars reduce need for new cars.
what do Vegans drink? Doesn't beer/wine contain fish finnings
Wrong. Peas, beans or clover, for example, will replace the nitrogen in soil.
Not nearly enough. How do you protect crops from animals like insects?
Not nearly enough. How do you protect crops from animals like insects?
Wrong. Some vegans wear leather (and wool). Second hand leather items reduce the need for further animal suffering by not supporting purveyors of newly manufactured products.
I'm kinda with you on this - live and let live and all that.I find it very interesting how people in general can't wait to find fault with those that care, that act on their beliefs, that care about animals and the environment enough to actually do something.
Looking through the thread and you see repeated attempts to discredit what is a pretty noble way of living. It's not a cult or a religion it is people trying to be as good as they can. I really don't understand the angst that this generates.
People really are quite odd.
You almost make it sound like one has to be a vegan to prove you really really care about animals and the environment.I find it very interesting how people in general can't wait to find fault with those that care, that act on their beliefs, that care about animals and the environment enough to actually do something.
Looking through the thread and you see repeated attempts to discredit what is a pretty noble way of living. It's not a cult or a religion it is people trying to be as good as they can. I really don't understand the angst that this generates.
People really are quite odd.
How do you think the nitrogen got into teh soil in the first place?
Companion planting is a good option if you want to avoid pesticides.
Animal waste is a great fertiliser.
You almost make it sound like one has to be a vegan to prove you really really care about animals and the environment.
I am sure you don't necessarily believe that, but it is a bit preachy and 'virtue signally'!
In danger of making a political point, it is similar to some on the hard left saying unless you are a socialist you must be a selfish, uncaring so and so.
I'm kinda with you on this - live and let live and all that.
HOWEVER, in my experience vegans are the only group of people I've encountered where some of their number try to force the issue on you or lecture/guilt trip you about their lifestyle. I'm not saying it's every vegan - far from it - but it's hastened to me a fair few times.
Like I say - live and let live (and leave us alone!)
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You want to stay out of the EU Brexit thread then. That one contains about 99.7% bullshit, and so many experts on everything EUSpreading misinformation like this is incredibly dangerous.
Yep. Same excuse I have for all the ivory, tiger skin rug, alligator shoes and fur coats in my gaff.
Some vegans are hypocrites.
Also, people who are political vegans (as opposed to people who simply can't stand meet, fish, eggs, butter etc) really ought to never take medicines, all of which have been tested on animals. Provided you don't 'believe' in science you can convince yourself that all sorts work. Just please don't deny a child conventional medicine for cancer. That would be child abuse.
Your elephants and rhinos, tigers, alligators and furry animals won't die twice. I'm a vegan who relies on the sacrifice of animals every day. I know that countless animals die or are displaced by agriculture. I know that there are hidden animal ingredients in products that I use every day. I know that vegans sometimes have to rely on medication that contains animal products or has been tested on animals. That might make me a hypocrite but at least I'm trying.
No that's not what I believe or what I was saying. What I was saying is that I find it really odd how there's such a clamour to discredit or disprove when someone actually acts on their beliefs.
As for your attempt to steer it toward politics I'll just pass on that thanks.
Good. No problem.
It's the preaching (from others) I dislike.
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