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[Albion] VAR decision on Estupiñán goal



trueblue

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Jul 5, 2003
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The system they used in the world cup was 12 cameras in the roof operating at 50fps tracking the ball and the players.
That semi-automated system works more accurately. I suppose whether it’s ‘better’ depends on whether you’re keen on players’ toenails being ruled offside. The law needs to be loosened to redress the balance.
 






PILTDOWN MAN

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Sep 15, 2004
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Further to what some have posted the requirements for the VAR cameras are explained here https://www.premierleague.com/news/1488423.

The angle of the camera shown no way can be considered the penalty box one. Therefore are Palace compliant? There's no way a close penalty decision to whether in or outside the area could be made from that angle.

We as fans not just Brighton deserve some answers to basic issues with decisions made by the EPL even why away fans are in the Gods at Newcastle, completely against the EPL regulations.
 


Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
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Further to what some have posted the requirements for the VAR cameras are explained here https://www.premierleague.com/news/1488423.

The angle of the camera shown no way can be considered the penalty box one. Therefore are Palace compliant? There's no way a close penalty decision to whether in or outside the area could be made from that angle.

We as fans not just Brighton deserve some answers to basic issues with decisions made by the EPL even why away fans are in the Gods at Newcastle, completely against the EPL regulations.
Why aren't the VAR cameras mounted in the perfect position in their new stand?
Did the architect forget to include them?
 


PeterT

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Apr 21, 2017
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Why aren't the VAR cameras mounted in the perfect position in their new stand?
Did the architect forget to include them?
They have had to re-purpose their VAR cameras onto the crowd, a decent chance of getting the Croydon arrest statistics and % of crimes solved up by doing that.
 




PILTDOWN MAN

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Why aren't the VAR cameras mounted in the perfect position in their new stand?
Did the architect forget to include them?
Haha.

Joking aside they should be in the same location at each ground.
 


Fungus

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May 21, 2004
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It is human error.

-clown 1 draws the line to the wrong player
-clown 2 (experienced pro ref paid 000s for a single game) fails to spot the line has been drawn to the wrong player
What puzzles me is that Clown 1 isn’t dealing with a single frame of video - he must shuffle backwards and forwards to find the moment the ball is played. That would make it even more obvious that there is another defender, moving around. Clown 2 could possibly blame a fuzzy, low-res single image, but it still only takes a quick look to see the other defender.
 






GT49er

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From the Premier League website:

“VAR is used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.

But factual decisions such as offsides, and the issue of whether a player is inside or outside the penalty area, are not subject to the "clear and obvious" test”
Well as I said, take up the argument with Dermot Gallagher! What I would say is that if 'clear and obvious' doesn't apply to off-side, VAR woul be a damn sight better - or a lot less bad - if it did!
 


Motogull

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Sep 16, 2005
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What I would say is that if 'clear and obvious' doesn't apply to off-side, VAR woul be a damn sight better - or a lot less bad - if it did!
Indeedy. You could make VAR so much better by reversing that and not being so precise.
 








Lenny Rider

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Sep 15, 2010
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Say we miss out on Europe by the two points VAR effectively cheated us out of yesterday, Tony clearly has the funds, could he sue the VAR people for negligence and subsequent loss of earnings?
 






nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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I can’t believe we’re having these conversations. Such a blatant error
 


Richy_Seagull

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Oct 7, 2003
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What puzzles me is that Clown 1 isn’t dealing with a single frame of video - he must shuffle backwards and forwards to find the moment the ball is played. That would make it even more obvious that there is another defender, moving around. Clown 2 could possibly blame a fuzzy, low-res single image, but it still only takes a quick look to see the other defender.

Trust me, the image the VAR lot use is anything but blurry. That would have been a crystal clear shot on an extremely large monitor, which makes the f*** up even harder to fathom.
 


portlock seagull

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Jul 28, 2003
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Say we miss out on Europe by the two points VAR effectively cheated us out of yesterday, Tony clearly has the funds, could he sue the VAR people for negligence and subsequent loss of earnings?
I think we ought to, because it’s got to stop. Football only answers to money. Fans have no say and treated like peasants to be lorded over by their masters.
 






Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

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Oct 4, 2003
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Say we miss out on Europe by the two points VAR effectively cheated us out of yesterday, Tony clearly has the funds, could he sue the VAR people for negligence and subsequent loss of earnings?
He could but he won’t because he realises mistakes happen and that it won’t be one single incident that causes us to miss out on Europe if that what happens.

Should Arsenal sue because of the incorrect offside, should Chelsea for the clear handball not given, if either of them miss out on something by a point or two?

The club have already accepted the apology from PGMOL and won’t be making further comment. I’m sure behind the scenes they’ve made further representation to the PL etc and with the clear number of mistakes made this weekend it’s obvious things need to change but I'm pretty certain over the course of a season most clubs can pinpoint moments where ref/var got things wrong and we’d never be out if court of chairmen started suing.
 




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