US election (merged threads)

[knocky1]

6-1 Trump, 1-15 Clinton [MENTION=15937]Bookie[/MENTION]s.

Not anymore. Trump coming right back into it. He's going to take Florida

https://m.oddschecker.com/m/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winner

Totally depends which counties are yet to declare.

It's 77% counted Florida and he's pulling away

Clinton touched 1/12 on Betfair, now out to 5/8 and falling rapidly. Unbelievable.

1:40am to 2:10am.
NSC got the half hour that turned the night into my nightmare. 2 hours sleep then up for the cricket.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Oh dear. This is so very sad. The American democratic machine seems to have picked the least capable American for president rather than the most capable. What will this nut do to the world?

This with bells on it.

This idea that Trump will in some way be good for the country because he'll shake up the political elite is unbelievable. Being POTUS is a JOB. It's critical decision making every single day under huge pressure. Trump has proved time and time again that he's not good at doing that. He's a narcissistic pig-headed, racist moron who is only where he is because of Daddy's money. He is the least capable candidate imaginable.

Most Trump supporters I've read this morning are saying things I'd expect to see if any Republican candidate had won. Acting like democracy has spoken and this is just what America needs. They're leaving out the fact that the particular Republican they've voted for is simply not fit to be the President. He will not be able to do that job. Simple as that.

 

[Gullflyinghigh]

Out of interest, does anyone else think he'll completely fail to;

- Build a Mexico funded wall
- Expel Muslims (to the degree he's suggested)
- Jail Clinton

Would this then turn his supporters against him as he becomes 'the establishment'?

 

[clippedgull]

CNN reporting that Clinton has called Trump to concede.

 

[BUTTERBALL]

Now official - Trump IS president.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Farage is fiercely anti-establishment. He is well placed to see the corruption and deceit that goes on. He is unpopular because he goes public with it. The ruling elite hate having their feathers ruffled. Anyone who wants change is not the Establishment. The Establishment want the staus quo maintained. Its in their vested interest. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
Trump and Farage both want change.

Come off it, Farage went to the private Dulwich College and was a member of the Conservative Party till 1992. Trump owns significant portions of real estate across America. They are merely pursuing a tried and tested method of getting to power. Target the disenfrachised, give them a defined enemy, feed them some nice simple soundbites (truth optional), present the whole world as a massive conspiracy and yourself as the answer to it all. Have a look at who else in history used this sort of approach.

The luck - or opportunity - for both was that they were against terrible opposition. No one trusted Cameron. Osborne told worse lies than the leave campaign. Corbyn couldn't have cared less about remain and Clinton was arguably worse than Trump. It's not a co-incidence that he didn't run against Obama.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Well he's been all mouth....will it be no trousers

A reality TV host is now a President in reality ...wonder what one will be better

 

[severnside gull]

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Out of interest, does anyone else think he'll completely fail to;

- Build a Mexico funded wall
- Expel Muslims (to the degree he's suggested)
- Jail Clinton

Would this then turn his supporters against him as he becomes 'the establishment'?

He will be way too busy expanding and building walls around his business empire.
He will leave all that to the political elite who are pulling the strings behind the scenes.

 

[sir albion]

Made my morning

 

[brakespear]

There's a lot of truth in what you say but all that's happening hear is that the likes of Trump and Farage are tapping in to that disenfranchisement to further their own interests. It may be a different establishment and elite, but it's still the establishment and still the elite. So I agree with your analysis of how we've ended up at this point but if we truly wanted a break from self interested elitism, why are the likes Corbyn and Sanders not marching their way to power right now? All that's actually happening is the general dissatisfaction with the status quo and the version of capitalism we live is leading, sadly, with a lurch to the right and the persecution of foreigners.

History shows that this does not end well.

Best post in this thread so far - absolutely agree that people want change maybe but unfortunately we have ended up with two snake oil salesman who offer nothing different than what we already had, except with more of an emphasis on shifiting blame away from politicians and policies and onto scapegoats instead.

 

[fat old seagull]

Worst night of my life...an horrendous nightmare. I dreamt Trump became the most powerful man on Earth! But I'll wake up in a minute ....won't I ?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Out of interest, does anyone else think he'll completely fail to;

- Build a Mexico funded wall
- Expel Muslims (to the degree he's suggested)
- Jail Clinton

Would this then turn his supporters against him as he becomes 'the establishment'?

a) no - he might lay a few bricks but he won't get Mexico to pay for it.
b) no - expect significant legal challenges, something Trump is quite used to
c) possibly - the Republicans now get to choose the judiciary

 

[Diablo]

Putin, Kim jong un, Trump. Wow...Scary !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Deleted member 22389]

You'd need to live here for 26 years to understand what happened tonight. As a proud Brit exiled in the US, I'd encourage you to not be afraid about Trump. The USA was heading to the dogs. The country needed to throw out the smug, elite ruling class. Yes it'll be messy but the people spoke and they won tonight. A government truly for the people, by the people.

Straight from the horses mouth. Felt like a media stitch up against Trump throughout the whole campaign, I hate that. I'm not afraid of Trump. America needed a change, they got it, just like the UK.

 

[Prince Monolulu]

Listening to much of this bar based punditry, more than one has clearly stated that they do not, and did not vote for the Republican party as such but for Mr Trump as an individual.

Make of that what you will.

 

[sir albion]

Worst night of my life...an horrendous nightmare. I dreamt Trump became the most powerful man on Earth! But I'll wake up in a minute ....won't I ?

I think it's brilliant and different.....different is good and needed!!!

 

[Prince Monolulu]

Putin, Kim jong un, Trump, May Wow...Scary !!!!!!!!!!!!

Amended for you.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

a) no - he might lay a few bricks but he won't get Mexico to pay for it.
b) no - expect significant legal challenges, something Trump is quite used to
c) possibly - the Republicans now get to choose the judiciary

c) - He sounded like he was already backing down from it.

 

[franks brother]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJRF8xGzvj4

 

[brakespear]

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absolutely this