This.
People asked to do something differently, that may require a bit of time, effort and ingenuity, shock horror.
Well if I can't bring cash and pay at the gate, I'm not going (etc. etc.).
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People asked to do something differently, that may require a bit of time, effort and ingenuity, shock horror.
Well if I can't bring cash and pay at the gate, I'm not going (etc. etc.).
Precisely.
And it's the massive tax on ciggies that gets on my wick. Deliberately targeted at the working class.
What are the other good reasons ?
No you can't, Labour are blocking all.ULEZ and Active Travel spending.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Yes but successive labour governments actively encouraged people to buy diesel. My car is 10 years old and I only pay £30 road tax due to its low emissions but yet it fails the standard. I cannot simply go out and buy another car as all my spare money goes to supporting my sons in uni and the extra we now pay on shopping/power charges.
I do not live an extravagant lifestyle, my wife and I work hard in average to low paid jobs in education (which we love) but were we in a ULEZ area, we would be in a lot of trouble. It is all very well saying use more public transport but the cost of that is prohibitive, we need many more services and more frequently too. The tories should be doing more to help people afford newer and more environmentally friendly cars if councils are going to make ULEZ widespread.
Barnet Seagull
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Whats the other one?
Horses Arse
Well-known member
This is certainly valid and there should be help to replace cars for such a scheme. I also feel that forcing folk to replace perfectly serviceable cars is very unsustainable.
When you see the graphic from stat brother with 14% using cars for journeys less than 1km you realise its cars/people that are the problem, not what type it is. Forcing people out of cars would make other transport options so much more feasible. Cycling included.
I'm also on the London/surrey border and have two cars.... ridiculous really
Which is it Rishi?
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I agree with you. As the thread starter my main complaint was the poor signage, which unlike the congestion zone is not that clear. On another point like you I thought, incorrectly a modern diesel engine I expected to be compliant, my 8 year old car isn't. My daughter's Focus which is 16 years old is fine and my runabout 21 year old Corsa is.
I'm fine with these zones if the money raised is spent on improving the public transport services. I'll use an example of what is wrong with the buses currently. The bus stopped running through my village on a Sunday. After much consultation they agreed to restart it but changed the times. Now the last bus from Hastings to T Wells which passed through the village leaves at 16.04. This means anyone who works in retail etc on a Sunday has no chance of catching it. No thought whatsoever. Make it 16.30 all is good. Things like this stop people using public transport.
Surely there is a market for these cars in areas where ULEZ doesn't apply. That said, the scrappage scheme needs looking at, especially as the Tories are happy to provide funds in other areas such as Birmingham (Tory Mayor) but not London (Labour Mayor).
We're also seeing how Sunak is sacrificing green policies in a desperate attempt to cling to power.
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clapham_gull
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It's a politically motivated attack obviously.
The Tories like having a Labour London Mayor who they can screw financially.
Just look at the God awful candidates they have put forward after the Great Spender left office.
Luckily Londoners won't have any of it. He will be returned with an increased majority.
clapham_gull
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They are there to improve air quality !
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Yup, absolute nonsense all round. If you have a car at all, there is a ULEZ compliant part-ex available to you at any price point across the market. Or, if you really must pollute, then pay your £12.50 a day and enjoy smogging it up. Round our neck of the woods, Bristol and Bath have introduced zones, Cardiff are in the process of introducing ULEZ.
Cities are understandably protecting themselves and their inhabitants. If you don’t want to pay the charge, get the train, or get a compliant car.
There will be an ever shrinking list of possible destinations for any non-ULEZ vehicle. It hasn’t been possible to buy a new mass-market vehicle that isn’t ULEZ compliant for 7 years, which is around the time expensive repairs start being required, and there are ULEZ compatible vehicles going as far back as 2001, though 2005 was when the emissions law made all new mainstream petrol vehicles compliant.
This is a potential issue for 1 in 10 London households, and any sensible household will have px’d their vehicle prior to the charge coming in. I confidently predict that by the time of the next general election, this will be a complete non-issue because anyone affected who needed to make a change, will have done so, and Londoners will be perfectly happy with their improved air quality thank you very much.
Cities are understandably protecting themselves and their inhabitants. If you don’t want to pay the charge, get the train, or get a compliant car.
There will be an ever shrinking list of possible destinations for any non-ULEZ vehicle. It hasn’t been possible to buy a new mass-market vehicle that isn’t ULEZ compliant for 7 years, which is around the time expensive repairs start being required, and there are ULEZ compatible vehicles going as far back as 2001, though 2005 was when the emissions law made all new mainstream petrol vehicles compliant.
This is a potential issue for 1 in 10 London households, and any sensible household will have px’d their vehicle prior to the charge coming in. I confidently predict that by the time of the next general election, this will be a complete non-issue because anyone affected who needed to make a change, will have done so, and Londoners will be perfectly happy with their improved air quality thank you very much.
Comrade Sam
Comrade Sam
Sorry, haven't read the thread. Sunak is such a knob, surely he should be announcing that he'll sort out the railways or increase investment in buses and public transport in general. Or alternatively what the world needs now is more cars and especially in residential areas. I live in the ULEZ zone and love the idea, but as with congestion charges and toll roads etc. they all amount to a tax on the poor and better public transport would be a better solution to car use.
I can't wait to see how many school girls this will kill - it'll be well lush
www.theguardian.com
Ministers consider curbs on councils’ use of 20mph speed limits
Exclusive: moves against what PM terms ‘anti-motorist’ policies follow order of review into low-traffic neighbourhoods
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Every time I think I’ve understood how stupid Sunak and his chums are, they find a whole new level.I can't wait to see how many school girls this will kill - it'll be well lush
Ministers consider curbs on councils’ use of 20mph speed limits
Exclusive: moves against what PM terms ‘anti-motorist’ policies follow order of review into low-traffic neighbourhoods
