UKIP Foster Parents

[daveinprague]

You quoted it as fact,that wasnt what i asked, please read the post and answer it correctly.

'So yes. Unless you can prove to me thats not the case.'

Read the answer, and answer it correctly.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

And a lot of ex BNP support Westdene. It wasnt just the single ex BNP candidate, so thats not quite true.
Im quite happy to have doubts about them. Im certain I wont be disappointed at the next election ;-)

And a lot of ex-Labour voters, until this government, voted Lib Dem. It's all about voting for the party that best represents your views. That doesn't necessarily make the party you end up voting for 100% in support of your personal views. BNP supporters may have switched parties but probably because they see the BNP as a lost cause. If UKIP didn't exist they may well have voted Tory - who's to say ? You do seem to want your cake and to eat it when it comes to political debate.

 

[daveinprague]

Doesnt everybody ;-)
Like ive said.... Im not the only person who has doubts about them...If that were the case, there would be no argument, no fuss, and no foster parents having children removed, rightly, or wrongly, but you have to admit, that a lot of people have doubts about them, and for the reasons ive given.

 

[User removed 4]

'So yes. Unless you can prove to me thats not the case.'

Read the answer, and answer it correctly.

I answered it before you edited your post , which seems to be a habit of yours, anyway here are a selection of flips and u-turns from the tory party, although it's obviously politicians in general that employ these tactics, its not exclusive to the tories , as we are seeing with labour's stance on the EU budget, is there anything else you need me to do to expose your point as flimsy as a feather in a hurricane ?

David Cameron in U-turn on EU referendum - Mirror Online

Tories backtrack on spending cuts with pledge to freeze council tax | Politics | The Observer

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http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/aerospace-industry-worries-as-tories-backtrack-on-f-35-purchase/article4102456/?service=mobile

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SO YOU'RE QUITE HAPPY TO TAKE AS GOSPEL,THE "DOWNING STREET SOURCES ARE YOU ?" WOULD THAT BE BECAUSE IT SUITS YOUR ARGUNMENT OR BECAUSE YOU REALLY BELIEVE IT TO BE TRUE?

 

[daveinprague]

Yes, or should I suspect UKIP lying about their intent as well? They say they wont either.
Of course all politicians lie.
We can go around the houses with this forever, but at the end of the day, its at the election thats going to count, and im confident UKIP wont be in the running of anything significant.
I also stick by erring on the side of caution regarding this party, particularly when children are concerned.
Im sure you would be outraged if an English child was fostered by an Islam, UAF, communist supporting foster parent, and to deny that would be disingenuous.

 

[User removed 4]

Yes, or should I suspect UKIP lying about their intent as well? They say they wont either.
Of course all politicians lie.
We can go around the houses with this forever, but at the end of the day, its at the election thats going to count, and im confident UKIP wont be in the running of anything significant.
I also stick by erring on the side of caution regarding this party, particularly when children are concerned.
Im sure you would be outraged if an English child was fostered by an Islam, UAF, communist supporting foster parent, and to deny that would be disingenuous.

Of course I would , they're extremists, UKIP, are not , and to infer they are would be disingenuous.

 

[daveinprague]

Well, you say that Bushy, a lot of people dont think the same way. Interesting that you consider Islam, UAF and Communists as extremists. I could consider communists, but anyway...Im going to lunch.

 

[Simster]

Yes, or should I suspect UKIP lying about their intent as well? They say they wont either.

Let's remember that Tories hold all the aces here, insofar as they are the ones who make the decisions on whether a pact is done with UKIP. Cameron doesn't have a good relationship with Farage, so Farage is simply saving face by saying this, as soon as he's got wind of senior UKIP-sympathetic Tories don't hold sway with Downing street.

But UKIP is an inflentual pressure group as well as a political party and they must be taken seriously in times where every seat might count, and the next election is one of those times. I wouldn't be surprised to see a deal spring up if it looks like the Tories can sniff an overall majority by doing one. If they don't do a deal, and the Tories don't take an outright majority in an election perceived as winnable, then he's signed his own death warrant.

Of course I would , they're extremists, UKIP, are not , and to infer they are would be disingenuous.

There is nothing extreme about being Islamic. And whilst communism is extreme, that is a politically held belief that isn't at odds with the well being of a child, unlike being a member of a racist party and fostering a black kid or whatever.

And of course, you are right when you say Rotherham council have behaved outrageously, as UKIP are not a racist party.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Look at these people. How are they allowed to get away with it.
Flickr: UKIP pix's Photostream

This is why Rotherham council got is so so wrong.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Im sure you would be outraged if an English child was fostered by an Islam, UAF, communist supporting foster parent, and to deny that would be disingenuous.

If they support a perfectly legal political party then I would not have an issue. Let's remember that UKIP get Party Political broadcast time because of their size - so they must legitimately be be part of the political process. A social worker or workers plus that stupid Thacker woman have corrupted that process by bringing their own political beliefs into the fostering system. They should be sacked.

 

[daveinprague]

Let's remember that Tories hold all the aces here, insofar as they are the ones who make the decisions on whether a pact is done with UKIP. Cameron doesn't have a good relationship with Farage, so Farage is simply saving face by saying this, as soon as he's got wind of senior UKIP-sympathetic Tories don't hold sway with Downing street.

But UKIP is an inflentual pressure group as well as a political party and they must be taken seriously in times where every seat might count, and the next election is one of those times. I wouldn't be surprised to see a deal spring up if it looks like the Tories can sniff an overall majority by doing one. If they don't do a deal, and the Tories don't take an outright majority in an election perceived as winnable, then he's signed his own death warrant.

There is nothing extreme about being Islamic. And whilst communism is extreme, that is a politically held belief that isn't at odds with the well being of a child, unlike being a member of a racist party and fostering a black kid or whatever.

And of course, you are right when you say Rotherham council have behaved outrageously, as UKIP are not a racist party.

There is a large percentage of people who dont want to be in Europe, so it will be interesting to see how it all pans out. I still dont think UKIP will be much of an influence, one of the major parties will take some of UKIPs line and run with it, leaving them out in the cold....then depends on how much trust is there from the electorate.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

There is a large percentage of people who dont want to be in Europe, so it will be interesting to see how it all pans out. I still dont think UKIP will be much of an influence, one of the major parties will take some of UKIPs line and run with it, leaving them out in the cold....then depends on how much trust is there from the electorate.

And that's the point - all Labour or the Conservatives needs to do is promise a referendum to take out UKIP. The problem being that the Conservatives don't want to and Labour won't be believed because of their down and out lie about a referendum over the Lisborn Treaty.

 

[daveinprague]

If they support a perfectly legal political party then I would not have an issue. Let's remember that UKIP get Party Political broadcast time because of their size - so they must legitimately be be part of the political process. A social worker or workers plus that stupid Thacker woman have corrupted that process by bringing their own political beliefs into the fostering system. They should be sacked.

It was definitely an error of judgement to remove them after placing them. Like ive said all along though, I think it was an error, whilst this perception (right or wrong) is there, how they were placed with the couple in the first place. Its not like there isnt hundreds of children waiting foster parents.

 

[daveinprague]

Look at these people. How are they allowed to get away with it.
Flickr: UKIP pix's Photostream

This is why Rotherham council got is so so wrong.

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Im probably missing something here...?
Are you saying they got it wrong on the basis of these peoples appearance?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

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Im probably missing something here...?
Are you saying they got it wrong on the basis of these peoples appearance?

No it was a link to show how popular they are.

 

[daveinprague]

Oh ok...

 

[cunning fergus]

I've got to say this thread has been BRILLIANT. Firstly I've come across a political position I didn't know existed (a Socialist UKIP supporter), we've had the usual BNP/EDL/Immigrant binfest, we've touched on Keith Waterhouse and now we're discussing who is or isn't a proper Brighton fan.

What was the topic subject again?

The topic relates to the conclusion of the social workers/council that if you support UKIP it is incompatible with being able to provide a safe loving environment for immigrant children.

For me (and I think you are referring to me in your post as a socialist UKIP supporter) I am against the EU for a number of different reasons, but primarily I am opposed to it because it has created entirely free pan European labour markets. This ideology is essentially from the monetarist right wing (to use the common vernacular) and over the last 10 years it has had massive negative implications for the working classes in this country; particularly the unskilled. It is this constituency of society whose jobs deserve most protection, and they should have been protected first and foremost by the Labour Party.

The Labour Party and the unions were a long time opposed to the EU because of this free market capitalist ideology, and it was Tory Blair who completely changed the outlook so that the party could appeal to big business and the middle class. The unions sucked this up because the quid pro quo of the new approach would that they could influence social policy on a EU level. So, 10 years on and what’s happened? The UK working classes are having to compete harder for less jobs, work harder for less money and with overall less job security.

It is a shame that UKIP are the only political party that is threatening the vice like grip of the established parties with regard to our relationship with EU, however they are, so if this point is important to you where do you go to register opposition to the EU with a purist socialist flavour..............SWP? No2EU? Neither are credible.

If polls are to be believed UKIP is aligned to the views of over 60% of the electorate on the EU and hence we have got Miliband taking a more aggressive position in public on the EU and complete silence from the Liberals.

I don’t think I have ever fully agreed with the full portfolio of policies from any political party, anyone who does is usually a myopic imbecile, however in relation to UKIP’s position of taking back control of our labour markets (in my view) that is a policy that is aligned to the old socialist policies of Labour. A vote for UKIP does not have to be an endorsement of everything they stand for, it rarely is for other political parties. The more pragmatic minded will consider a vote for UKIP to be on the single issue they are most well known for..........which could be from a more conventional right wing anti authoritarian perspective.

The couple in question are working class from Rotherham, reportedly they were previously labour supporters. Moreover they are ex civil servants (RN nad NHS) and obviously philanthropic in nature since they were long time foster carers...................they do not sound like bigots or Tories or BNP to me.

This board is saturated in the instinctive shrill hysterical bullshit that by supporting UKIP you have to be a swivel right wing loon...............it is an insult to that couple. It is the same absurd reactionary thick headed assessment that also lead a social worker/council to decide that they had to take the kids away from them in the first place. That is why it matters.

 

[User removed 4]

The topic relates to the conclusion of the social workers/council that if you support UKIP it is incompatible with being able to provide a safe loving environment for immigrant children.

For me (and I think you are referring to me in your post as a socialist UKIP supporter) I am against the EU for a number of different reasons, but primarily I am opposed to it because it has created entirely free pan European labour markets. This ideology is essentially from the monetarist right wing (to use the common vernacular) and over the last 10 years it has had massive negative implications for the working classes in this country; particularly the unskilled. It is this constituency of society whose jobs deserve most protection, and they should have been protected first and foremost by the Labour Party.

The Labour Party and the unions were a long time opposed to the EU because of this free market capitalist ideology, and it was Tory Blair who completely changed the outlook so that the party could appeal to big business and the middle class. The unions sucked this up because the quid pro quo of the new approach would that they could influence social policy on a EU level. So, 10 years on and what’s happened? The UK working classes are having to compete harder for less jobs, work harder for less money and with overall less job security.

It is a shame that UKIP are the only political party that is threatening the vice like grip of the established parties with regard to our relationship with EU, however they are, so if this point is important to you where do you go to register opposition to the EU with a purist socialist flavour..............SWP? No2EU? Neither are credible.

If polls are to be believed UKIP is aligned to the views of over 60% of the electorate on the EU and hence we have got Miliband taking a more aggressive position in public on the EU and complete silence from the Liberals.

I don’t think I have ever fully agreed with the full portfolio of policies from any political party, anyone who does is usually a myopic imbecile, however in relation to UKIP’s position of taking back control of our labour markets (in my view) that is a policy that is aligned to the old socialist policies of Labour. A vote for UKIP does not have to be an endorsement of everything they stand for, it rarely is for other political parties. The more pragmatic minded will consider a vote for UKIP to be on the single issue they are most well known for..........which could be from a more conventional right wing anti authoritarian perspective.

The couple in question are working class from Rotherham, reportedly they were previously labour supporters. Moreover they are ex civil servants (RN nad NHS) and obviously philanthropic in nature since they were long time foster carers...................they do not sound like bigots or Tories or BNP to me.

This board is saturated in the instinctive shrill hysterical bullshit that by supporting UKIP you have to be a swivel right wing loon...............it is an insult to that couple. It is the same absurd reactionary thick headed assessment that also lead a social worker/council to decide that they had to take the kids away from them in the first place. That is why it matters.

Excellent post.

 

[FREDBINNEY]

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Im probably missing something here...?
Are you saying they got it wrong on the basis of these peoples appearance?

Yes you're missing any really credible argument to be fair, you've made yourself look pretty foolish by trying to defend the indefensible, but then again that seems to be the standard fare from the times I come on here , and why the stupid qustion in the first place? Probably to try and deflect attention away from the fact that UKIP are plainly obviously not the swivel eyed loons with questionable beliefs that you would like people to think they are.

 

[daveinprague]

Yes Fred....its only me who thinks they are loonies. On my little own, ive created a national debate. Incredible eh.

Cunning...good post...but its not just on NSC that there is this debate.... This is something that is nationally debated. I am sure this couple are good foster parents, they have done it several times before. All ive said, fairly consistantly, is that I think a lot of crap could have been avoided if they they were not selected for fostering an east european child, when theres hundreds of English kids that require fostering also, when considering the fears of many over this party. All it has done is create a debate on the rights and wrongs of politicising fostering, and that would have been avoided if common sense had been applied in the first place.