UKIP are now a parliamentary party

[Pretty pink fairy]

This is true, because no one knows what the rest of their agenda is yet….including most of their members and all of their voters!

contact them , I'M SURE THEY'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP YOU OUT WITH THAT
regards
DR

 

[Nibble]

I estimate that in 12 months there has been twenty plus threads on UKIP. Not one of their supporters on here has even able to point out any credible policies. In fact their endless witterings have amounted to little more than "Labour let a lot of foreigners in and I want them out . It's staggeringly ignorant.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

What's UKIP's few on the European team in the Ryder cup ?
I don't want them breaking the good run we have had up.

Speaking with regards to the Kippers that I've come into contact with personally, I'd say with confidence that they are quite content with the Ryder Cup team, as it doesn't contain any really foreign foreigners.

Germans (like Farage's own WIFE), French and Swedes aren't proper foreign.

 

[Buzzer]

1. There would not have been a NATO without the EU. The US insisted on some kind of European unity after the war

Are you sure? The Treaty of Rome was in 1957, the North Atlantic Treaty in 1949. And the precursor to the North Atlantic Treaty, the Treaty of Brussels was borne precisely because of European disunity caused by the threat of ever-encroaching Communism. US membership of NATO pre-dates even the precursors to the EEC. US membership of NATO also pre-dates West German membership.

Ask yourself what would have happened to Spain Greece and Ireland if they had not been part of the EU. Do any of their populations want to leave the EU? Not on your life they don't because they know how "cold" life would be on the outside.

Have you actually met any Greeks or Spaniards and asked them that question? Pew Global Poll 2014 finds 50% of Spanish are favourable towards the EU with just 38% believing that economic integration has strengthened the economy. In Greece, the figures are even worse with figures of just 34% and 17% respectively.

 

[Bold Seagull]

'd say with confidence that they are quite content with the Ryder Cup team, as it doesn't contain any really foreign foreigners.

Now this did make me laugh!

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Quick question for Conservative and UKIP voters alike.

How would you feel about a CON/UKIP pact?

Just as long as it contained the requirement for an in/out vote to be cast in law regardless of what happened to the government and whichever party was in power then yes, I'd support that.

IF, your UKIP vote does crush the Tory vote, and neither the Lib Dems or Labour have promised a referendum, then UKIP will have succeeded in keeping the UK in the EU for the foreseeable future. What a right kicking that will be! They'll have a few MP's, but will have put any exit from the EU back a decade. Genius.

And therein lies a dilemma. Do I trust the Tories or honour their promise ? What happens if then is another Tory / Lib Dem coalition ? Would the Lib Dems prevent a vote ? What are these powers CDM plans to bring back - if he doesn't know now how the hell does he expect the complete the negotiations in two years if he gets elected ?

There is a possibility that Labour get in if I vote UKIP. Regardless of which party gets in they will still have to tackle the worries of around 15% of the electorate rather than ignore them like the last Labour government did and this government has .... until recently. Therefore it's important the UKIP vote doesn't collapse even if it means Red Ed as PM and Ballsup as Chancellor.

 

[W.C.]

What do the 'anti-UKIP, pro-immigration' brigade put the huge increase in population in the south east down to, Brighton and Hove in particular? A natural increase in the birth-rate?

We couldn't get our daughter into any of the 3 schools we requested, and ended up with the one we really didn't want. The reason - the growth in population.
If you want to see your doctor for a non-emergency appointment, you have to wait for 2 weeks. The reason - the growth in population.
There is going to be a monstrosity of a building site on our seafront soon - PORTZED. The reason - the huge demand for property fuelled by the growth in population caused by immigration.

The PC brigade need to take a look at their high principles and ask themselves what happens in reality.

Immigration? In Brighton? I think Bushy might have something to say on that.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Speaking with regards to the Kippers that I've come into contact with personally, I'd say with confidence that they are quite content with the Ryder Cup team, as it doesn't contain any really foreign foreigners.

Germans (like Farage's own WIFE), French and Swedes aren't proper foreign.

You mean they're not from Bongo Bongo Land?

 

[Don Quixote]

Their policies every week, don't they? Though this new HIV thing is digraceful, though.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

You mean they're not from Bongo Bongo Land?

Well, I think as the 'acceptable face' of xenophobia, they've reached a slightly higher level of sophistication than that, but yes - there's an enormous difference in your average Kipper's attitude to Germans, Swedes, Italians and French than to overseas workers from other parts of Europe and further afield.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Speaking with regards to the Kippers that I've come into contact with personally, I'd say with confidence that they are quite content with the Ryder Cup team, as it doesn't contain any really foreign foreigners.

Germans (like Farage's own WIFE), French and Swedes aren't proper foreign.

Where is it laid down as fact that UKIP supporters don't like foreigners ? Controlled immigration ( note not NO immigration ) doesn't mean there is a hatred of foreigners. Unless of course your suggesting the USA, Australia, Canada, South Africa, China, Russia and many other countries don't like foreigners because they control who can get into their country ?

UKIP is against the EU ( which wishes it was a country ) not countries, continents or foreigners.

 

[Nibble]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/20/ukip-biggest-gaffes

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Where is it laid down as fact that UKIP supporters don't like foreigners ? Controlled immigration ( note not NO immigration ) doesn't mean there is a hatred of foreigners. Unless of course your suggesting the USA, Australia, Canada, South Africa, China, Russia and many other countries don't like foreigners because they control who can get into their country ?

UKIP is against the EU ( which wishes it was a country ) not countries, continents or foreigners.

I spoke of the couple of active Kippers that I personally know. They are racists.

But putting that aside, what you are telling me is that all they really want is to 'protect' us from EU-qualified foreigners taking our resources and jobs?

And yet the UKIP leader pays a salary to his German wife, instead of an English employee?

 

[Nibble]

I actually agree we need tighter immigration controls but I sure as heck don't want the UKIP fools in charge of it.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

Just as long as it contained the requirement for an in/out vote to be cast in law regardless of what happened to the government and whichever party was in power then yes, I'd support that.


And therein lies a dilemma. Do I trust the Tories or honour their promise ? What happens if then is another Tory / Lib Dem coalition ? Would the Lib Dems prevent a vote ? What are these powers CDM plans to bring back - if he doesn't know now how the hell does he expect the complete the negotiations in two years if he gets elected ?

There is a possibility that Labour get in if I vote UKIP. Regardless of which party gets in they will still have to tackle the worries of around 15% of the electorate rather than ignore them like the last Labour government did and this government has .... until recently. Therefore it's important the UKIP vote doesn't collapse even if it means Red Ed as PM and Ballsup as Chancellor.

Why would Labour have to worry about 15% of the electorate if they got in after steadfastly refusing to have a referendum? They could say that they had say no referendum and the country chose them. There would be no pressure for them to have a referendum.

The Tories have promised to have a referendum and if they got in and then didn't honour their pledge, then they would face Lib Dem style carnage and mass MP defections.

Now as I've said earlier in this thread I don't think Farage would mind it being Labour, as it will mean he can bang on for the next 5 years about needing a referendum. Good for him personally, poor for those that actually want a referendum.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Quick question for Conservative and UKIP voters alike.

How would you feel about a CON/UKIP pact?

I am not your target audience - but I have wondered why the Tories don't buy off Farage. Give him a safe seat, or even a seat in the Lords and some promise of office.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Where is it laid down as fact that UKIP supporters don't like foreigners ? Controlled immigration ( note not NO immigration ) doesn't mean there is a hatred of foreigners. Unless of course your suggesting the USA, Australia, Canada, South Africa, China, Russia and many other countries don't like foreigners because they control who can get into their country ?

UKIP is against the EU ( which wishes it was a country ) not countries, continents or foreigners.

they(anti UKIP) just keep throwing the tried and tested responses AT FOUNDED SOLID ARGUMENTS, heads in the sand wet wipes the lot of them
regards
DR

 

[vegster]

You mean the SDP that went on to become part of the modern day Lib Dems and who helped form a government ? Whatever did happen to them ?

So,you can't vote for the SDP anymore then ?

 

[Danny-Boy]

You may be right that they selected the bloke they already thought was a good MP BUT, the surprise was that it was with an increased majority. Combined with the Heywood result ( remember that was classed as a 'safe' Labour seat ) and you can bet both Red Ed and CMD are changing their underpants this morning.

There's going to be some on here with egg on their face come the GE.

Wonder whether Nick even bothers with underpants these days. Maybe it would show if he's swung to the right if he didn't.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I actually agree we need tighter immigration controls but I sure as heck don't want the UKIP fools in charge of it.

what fools do you want then
regards
DR