UKIP are now a parliamentary party

[yxee]

UKIP attract about 15 to 20% of the population who go for their simplistic populist policies.

Cap on energy prices anyone?

 

[nicko31]

Common sense will be resumed come May. Bi-elections are always a bit of a joke

 

[somerset]

Don't get why it is such a big deal, the people of clacton seemed to vote for the bloke they already knew and had previously been their MP.
It could have been any party and he would still have won.

How about putting it in context with the swing from Labour to UKIP in the Heywood vote!.... as said elsewhere on this thread, democracy is at work, the people are speaking. If the main parties don't dynamically address the key issues that get people voting for UKIP, then boom, as 'Dave in some eastern bloc den of iniquity' said, we could be heading for a political earthquake.

 

[grawhite]

Farage gave a good response to a question recently, do you want to be PM, he said no, i don't want the party to exist, but until we become a non nonsense country i fight on.

 

[somerset]

The woeful way you have led the country Dave has ended like this.

I think it is more to do with the affect that EU regs and edicts have imposed laughable restrictions on our elected parliaments ability to impose its own laws more relevant to its own population..... well that and the knock on effect of Labours loosening of the controls around our borders.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

They don't understand that being part of a huge home market creates jobs. They don't realise that the EU has guaranteed peace in the past and will in the future. They don't understand that we need immigration to save us from an ageing population. They don't realise what a complete nonsense the UKIP manifesto was at the last election - so ridiculous that Farage now disowns it despite signing it off. They don't realise how circumscribed every government is in a globalised world and what sovereignty actually means in a modern world. They don't understand much except "they don't like what is going on". Not much of a basis for anything sensible

Can you imagine what would happen on day 1 of a UKIP government?

Labour plans backfired. They said that only 13,000 migrants would come here from Eastern Europe every year, they screwed up.
You can't screw things up like this, and then use your electorate as a scapegoat by calling them bigots and xenophobes when people start asking question as to where all these people are coming from. The labour party screwed things up end of.

 

[keaton]

Now that UKIP have one MP, the same as the Greens they can look forward a high a public and media profile that the Greens have enjoyed for the last few years

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Thats a bit ' Monty Pythonish ' isn't it?
A lot of people voting UKIP are doing so because they are sensible enough to work out what membership of the EU actually means and what it is costing us and what we are getting in return. They do not want to turn a blind eye to the bureaucratic corruption in Brussels and Strasbourg. The tens of millions going missing. The complete lack of accountability. The loss of control over much of our law-making. Faceless civil sevants controlling our lives and charging us a fortune for the privilege. They want some control back.

I don't think UKIP voters have "worked out" what membership of the EU costs us and how much we get in return. They just accept the drivel that UKIP spouts.

In terms of what goes on in Brussels and Strasbourg, I would rather be in there trying to do something about it than abandoning it. There has been a very good series of documentaries over the last few weeks on BBC2 about the legacy of the First World war, presented by a Cambridge professor whose name escapes me. It pointed out how important the European project is to "reconciliation" in many other parts of Europe. That is important to me.

And all the stuff about loss of control over our law-making and so on is grossly overstated. The trouble is that people believe what they read in the Daily Mail.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

They don't understand that being part of a huge home market creates jobs. They don't realise that the EU has guaranteed peace in the past and will in the future. They don't understand that we need immigration to save us from an ageing population. They don't realise what a complete nonsense the UKIP manifesto was at the last election - so ridiculous that Farage now disowns it despite signing it off. They don't realise how circumscribed every government is in a globalised world and what sovereignty actually means in a modern world. They don't understand much except "they don't like what is going on". Not much of a basis for anything sensible

Can you imagine what would happen on day 1 of a UKIP government?

Sigh .... same old statements from clearly as supporter of the same old tired 3 parties. The pro-Euro people argued that being part of the Euro was essential to our prosperity and jobs market just as you just have about our membership of the EU. I suggest those people go and ask the people of Greece, Italy, Spain and Ireland what the Euro did to their job markets.

The EU hasn't guaranteed peace - on many occasions it's had a total inability to find consensus amongst it's members so has done bugger all. Nato has been far more the peace keeper than the EU ever has.

As for your arrogance that UKIP voters must be silly and 'don't understand'. It's exactly that pathetic "I'm more intelligent than you" attitude that drives many people to not only vote UKIP but then to consider keeping their vote there. The more name calling there is then there more UKIP voters there will be. Watch Question Time from a year ago, the panelists were ripping into UKIP voters and suggesting they were unimportant and that they were a VERY small minority. Roll on a year and look at their attitude now - far more "well we need to take on board what UKIP voters are saying". The main parties are running scared because for far too long they've ignored the concerns of a sizable minority of voters. Well they could have dealt with the problems a long time ago and we wouldn't be having this conversation as UKIP would be an irrelevance. As it is people like me are chomping at the bit to give the arrogant three parties a right royal kicking ... oh ... and to finally get ALL the main parties to promise a referendum and put it in law.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I don't think UKIP voters have "worked out" what membership of the EU costs us and how much we get in return. They just accept the drivel that UKIP spouts.

In terms of what goes on in Brussels and Strasbourg, I would rather be in there trying to do something about it than abandoning it. There has been a very good series of documentaries over the last few weeks on BBC2 about the legacy of the First World war, presented by a Cambridge professor whose name escapes me. It pointed out how important the European project is to "reconciliation" in many other parts of Europe. That is important to me.

And all the stuff about loss of control over our law-making and so on is grossly overstated. The trouble is that people believe what they read in the Daily Mail.

We've been 'in there' for decades and achieved diddly squat - time to let the corrupt organisation sink in it's own cesspool.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I don't think UKIP voters have "worked out" what membership of the EU costs us and how much we get in return. They just accept the drivel that UKIP spouts.

In terms of what goes on in Brussels and Strasbourg, I would rather be in there trying to do something about it than abandoning it. There has been a very good series of documentaries over the last few weeks on BBC2 about the legacy of the First World war, presented by a Cambridge professor whose name escapes me. It pointed out how important the European project is to "reconciliation" in many other parts of Europe. That is important to me.

And all the stuff about loss of control over our law-making and so on is grossly overstated. The trouble is that people believe what they read in the Daily Mail.

Your either fully in or your fully out. At the moment we are neither. It makes the Pro EU camp just as bad as the people who want out in my opinion.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Good job it's first past the post eh?

It is for Labour but since when has Labour been a supporter of true democracy ?

 

[HH Brighton]

Thats a bit ' Monty Pythonish ' isn't it?
A lot of people voting UKIP are doing so because they are sensible enough to work out what membership of the EU actually means and what it is costing us and what we are getting in return. They do not want to turn a blind eye to the bureaucratic corruption in Brussels and Strasbourg. The tens of millions going missing. The complete lack of accountability. The loss of control over much of our law-making. Faceless civil sevants controlling our lives and charging us a fortune for the privilege. They want some control back.

You've only got to look at some of the comments on this thread to realise why UKIP are doing so well at the moment. A few years back the BNP won some council seats and we were having the same debates. Taking into account there are some stupid people around, people are not happy with the current parties, a mid term by election with only a 50% turn out, the shameless right wing papers like the mail and express causing hysteria is a absolute feeding ground for extremist parties standing on one policy. Everyone knows UKIP are a joke but they appeal to the middle class bigots at the moment.

 

[sahel]

I don't think UKIP voters have "worked out" what membership of the EU costs us and how much we get in return. They just accept the drivel that UKIP spouts.

In terms of what goes on in Brussels and Strasbourg, I would rather be in there trying to do something about it than abandoning it. There has been a very good series of documentaries over the last few weeks on BBC2 about the legacy of the First World war, presented by a Cambridge professor whose name escapes me. It pointed out how important the European project is to "reconciliation" in many other parts of Europe. That is important to me.

And all the stuff about loss of control over our law-making and so on is grossly overstated. The trouble is that people believe what they read in the Daily Mail.

Well said! How can you take anyone seriously who led a party with a manifesto in 2010 that he now says was ridiculous. It certainly was but of course no one read it including apparently Farage. Clegg Cameron and Milliband are rightly held to account by all and sundry for broken promises. Why is Farage not exposed and ridiculed in the same way?

 

[Nibble]

It's all about who walks into No. 10 in 2015. It won't be Farage I can assure you.

 

[sahel]

Sigh .... same old statements from clearly as supporter of the same old tired 3 parties. The pro-Euro people argued that being part of the Euro was essential to our prosperity and jobs market just as you just have about our membership of the EU. I suggest those people go and ask the people of Greece, Italy, Spain and Ireland what the Euro did to their job markets.

The EU hasn't guaranteed peace - on many occasions it's had a total inability to find consensus amongst it's members so has done bugger all. Nato has been far more the peace keeper than the EU ever has.

As for your arrogance that UKIP voters must be silly and 'don't understand'. It's exactly that pathetic "I'm more intelligent than you" attitude that drives many people to not only vote UKIP but then to consider keeping their vote there. The more name calling there is then there more UKIP voters there will be. Watch Question Time from a year ago, the panelists were ripping into UKIP voters and suggesting they were unimportant and that they were a VERY small minority. Roll on a year and look at their attitude now - far more "well we need to take on board what UKIP voters are saying". The main parties are running scared because for far too long they've ignored the concerns of a sizable minority of voters. Well they could have dealt with the problems a long time ago and we wouldn't be having this conversation as UKIP would be an irrelevance. As it is people like me are chomping at the bit to give the arrogant three parties a right royal kicking ... oh ... and to finally get ALL the main parties to promise a referendum and put it in law.

1. There would not have been a NATO without the EU. The US insisted on some kind of European unity after the war

2. The EU is not the only issue. What does UKIP say about other things?. Did you read their manifesto in 2010? I did and it was absolutely laughable - flat taxes, NHS privatisation, huge increases in police and armed forces etc

3. Ask yourself what would have happened to Spain Greece and Ireland if they had not been part of the EU. Do any of their populations want to leave the EU? Not on your life they don't because they know how "cold" life would be on the outside.

 

[Nibble]

Sigh .... same old statements from clearly as supporter of the same old tired 3 parties. The pro-Euro people argued that being part of the Euro was essential to our prosperity and jobs market just as you just have about our membership of the EU. I suggest those people go and ask the people of Greece, Italy, Spain and Ireland what the Euro did to their job markets.

The EU hasn't guaranteed peace - on many occasions it's had a total inability to find consensus amongst it's members so has done bugger all. Nato has been far more the peace keeper than the EU ever has.

As for your arrogance that UKIP voters must be silly and 'don't understand'. It's exactly that pathetic "I'm more intelligent than you" attitude that drives many people to not only vote UKIP but then to consider keeping their vote there. The more name calling there is then there more UKIP voters there will be. Watch Question Time from a year ago, the panelists were ripping into UKIP voters and suggesting they were unimportant and that they were a VERY small minority. Roll on a year and look at their attitude now - far more "well we need to take on board what UKIP voters are saying". The main parties are running scared because for far too long they've ignored the concerns of a sizable minority of voters. Well they could have dealt with the problems a long time ago and we wouldn't be having this conversation as UKIP would be an irrelevance. As it is people like me are chomping at the bit to give the arrogant three parties a right royal kicking ... oh ... and to finally get ALL the main parties to promise a referendum and put it in law.

Pretty much proves how ridiculous UKIP voters are doesn't it. You'll vote for a party because someone calls you a name so you'll show them "what for" . Sums up UKIP and it's voters, reactionary nitwits.

The three main parties are atrocious but that still won't make me vote UKIP, that's the thought process of a child.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Everyone knows UKIP are a joke but they appeal to the middle class bigots at the moment.

And just to back up my point made in my earlier post along comes someone else who doesn't get it. I've no idea if I'm middle class or not as class is a somewhat outdated concept ( UKIP supporters are called backwards yet it tends to be people who lean to the left that bang on about class all the time, strange ) but care to explain how you come to the conclusion I must be a bigot because I want out of the EU ? How precisely is that being a bigot ?

EDIT - add in some stupid references to being a racist and xenophobic and I'll finish my "I'm so arrogant" bingo card.

EXTRA EDIT - and from Nick Robinson : "The question now - how far UKIP will go? No-one knows but what is beyond doubt is that it has already gone much much further than those who dismissed and insulted it ever thought possible." It might serve as a warning for those that want to just throw insults around that it can come back and bite you. I'm sure CMD is really happy that he mentioned 'loons and fruitcakes".

 

[drew]

perhaps the people of Essex voted with the bigger picture in mind,with regards to immigration policy,thinking about the UK as a whole and not just a little corner of Essex

must try harder Fishy!

There was a chap on QT last night who piped up after everyone had had their say last night and pointed out that people may just vote for Carswell because he happens to have been a very good MP for the area.

As far as I am concerned, Farage can keep banging the UKIP drum as long as he likes until people finally realise that we are selling our souls to the most corrupt public body the world has ever seen. Any organisation that has not been able to have its accounts signed off for over 10 years should be out of business, closed down. It is illegal and criminal and yet it is largely shaping our future. It is a bureaucratic gravy train, offering additional big fat pensions ( at the tax payers expense ) to fading politicians. It is a private members club for overpaid officialdom.
Its cost outweighs its benefits. As you can gather, I'm not a fan.

Thanks for the last sentence clarifying your position. Up until that point I wasn't sure on which side of the fence you stand.

Thats a bit ' Monty Pythonish ' isn't it?
A lot of people voting UKIP are doing so because they are sensible enough to work out what membership of the EU actually means and what it is costing us and what we are getting in return. They do not want to turn a blind eye to the bureaucratic corruption in Brussels and Strasbourg. The tens of millions going missing. The complete lack of accountability. The loss control over much of our law-making. Faceless civil sevants controlling our lives and charging us a fortune for the privilege. They want some control back.

You may of course be right that UKIP voters are astute enough to understand the intricacies of EU finance and law making. Alternatively, they might just be persuaded by cheap sound bites and a few headlines in the red tops!

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Pretty much proves how ridiculous UKIP voters are doesn't it. You'll vote for a party because someone calls you a name so you'll show them "what for" . Sums up UKIP and it's voters, reactionary nitwits.

The three main parties are atrocious but that still won't make me vote UKIP, that's the thought process of a child.

It re-enforces my desire to vote for them - I won't vote for them just because some people throw insults.