UKIP are now a parliamentary party

[Nibble]

I get it mate and I understand whats going on. You are part of a revolt dominated by white faces, blue collars and grey hair: angry, old, white working-class men who left school at the earliest opportunity and lack the qualifications to get ahead in 21st-century Britain. The UKIP voters typically struggle financially, worry about the future, and loathe the political class, not just Cameron and the Conservatives. For all this you need a scapegoat and immigration is it for you, you only need one issue to grasp hold of. But its a democracy isn't it and whilst we're in one we will get the BNP, UKIP extremists trying to get the voice heard.

Sums it up for me. Best post on a UKIP thread on NSC.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

I don't remember this level of hype when the Greens got their first MP. That just sums up the British media -- it's in their corporate interests to talk up the right and talk down the left.

To be fair though, when the Greens won their seat it was at a General Election so most of the hacks were busy concentrating on who would form the next government.

 

[piersa]

Well said! How can you take anyone seriously who led a party with a manifesto in 2010 that he now says was ridiculous. It certainly was but of course no one read it including apparently Farage. Clegg Cameron and Milliband are rightly held to account by all and sundry for broken promises. Why is Farage not exposed and ridiculed in the same way?

Have you heard of evolution?

 

[LamieRobertson]

Proper dress in theatres

"Ukip will encourage a return to proper dress for major hotels, restaurants and theatres – smarter dress is part of Britishness, although it is also a British virtue to encourage innovation in fashion."

i can see Pink fairy voting UKIP ..he was bemoaning Brighton supporters for not dressing smart enough

 

[Mo Gosfield]

No one seems to want to address the issue that the EU is carrying out its function illegally. There is so much money going missing that they cannot present a set of formal accounts, which, if I'm not very much mistaken, is standard business practice. The structure is rotten to the core and for all his faults, at least Farage is attempting to expose some of the malpractice and corruption that is going on.

 

[JetsetJimbo]

[MENTION=661]Hatterlovesbrighton[/MENTION] -- True. But that doesn't explain why the BBC -- that supposed bastion of "left-wing bias" -- has since 2010 had UKIP reps on Question Time more than twice as often as Green Party ones. That's clear right-wing bias, given that until yesterday UKIP wasn't even a parliamentary party.

 

[The Spanish]

Thank god for UKIP we really need the immigrant problem sorting out in that part of Essex.

http://www.ukcensusdata.com/tendring-e07000076#sthash.gIQYt6ds.dpbs

you need to ask yourself why people are in essex in the first place

 

[Eggmundo]

Bloody hell there are some patronising people around!

 

[Bold Seagull]

[MENTION=661]Hatterlovesbrighton[/MENTION] -- True. But that doesn't explain why the BBC -- that supposed bastion of "left-wing bias" -- has since 2010 had UKIP reps on Question Time more than twice as often as Green Party ones. That's clear right-wing bias, given that until yesterday UKIP wasn't even a parliamentary party.

It's not right-wing bias, it's entertainment. It's a ratings business, no matter you say, UKIP sparks heated debate making great viewing. I don't think it has anything to do with bias.

 

[Stato]

You have to wonder at the thinking of UKIP voters.

"These Westminster types are out of touch with the man in the street"

"Yes, we need someone to come in and shake up the cosy system"

"Somebody who isn't part of the London-centric elite"

"What shall we do then?"

"How about electing the same bloke who has been representing us for the last four years?"

"Yeah, that's one in the eye for the man!"

 

[Westdene Seagull]

But you appear to be voting for them because you want out of the EU, and yet a vote for them in all likelihood will actually move you further away from that goal.

Tories - don't believe for a minute they will hold an in/out vote without some pressure from UKIP
Labour - been rather silent on an in/out vote and have a history of down and out lying when it comes to EU referendums
Lib Dem - don't support an in/out vote
Greens - support an in/out vote but are in favour of staying in

 

[ditchy]

Yes they do. They have to be independently audited.

thank you

 

[halbpro]

How about putting it in context with the swing from Labour to UKIP in the Heywood vote!.... as said elsewhere on this thread, democracy is at work, the people are speaking. If the main parties don't dynamically address the key issues that get people voting for UKIP, then boom, as 'Dave in some eastern bloc den of iniquity' said, we could be heading for a political earthquake.

What swing against Labour? Labour picked up 40.9% of the vote in Heywood, they picked up 40.1% at the General. Labour gained a percentage of the electorate, only losing votes as the turnout was so much lower (28,472 vs 46,125 at the general). In fact if the turn out was in the 46,000 area again they'd have gained 319 votes. It was quite clearly the swing against the Conservatives and the Lib Dems (as well as the non-existence of the BNP candidate this time around) that bolstered the UKIP vote.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Tories - don't believe for a minute they will hold an in/out vote without some pressure from UKIP

But that is what they've now promised isn't it? They know they need the UKIP vote so surely UKIP's job is done?

Will it not be ridiculous if all the UKIP voters who's main goal is to get us out of the EU wake up and realise their vote has kept us in the EU?

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

[MENTION=661]Hatterlovesbrighton[/MENTION] -- True. But that doesn't explain why the BBC -- that supposed bastion of "left-wing bias" -- has since 2010 had UKIP reps on Question Time more than twice as often as Green Party ones. That's clear right-wing bias, given that until yesterday UKIP wasn't even a parliamentary party.

UKIP winning the Euro elections? Getting over 20% in national polls? Some very clear policies i.e. Cut Immigration, Get out of Europe that match the issues that most voters agree with. A hugely charismatic leader.

No surprise to me that they get more airtime and I'm more likely to vote Green than UKIP.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

The lunatics really are taking over the asylum.

If post 57 accurately reflects the UKIP agenda, is that really the best they can come up with? - its pathetic.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

Tories - don't believe for a minute they will hold an in/out vote without some pressure from UKIP
Labour - been rather silent on an in/out vote and have a history of down and out lying when it comes to EU referendums
Lib Dem - don't support an in/out vote
Greens - support an in/out vote but are in favour of staying in

Labour are clearly against an In/Out vote.

What do you mean by UKIP pressure? If pressure means that the Torys lose seats to Labour then it will have the opposite effect. I think though Farage actually wants this. If there is a vote and it comes out as staying in (which I believe it would) his party is sunk. All the time there isn't a referendum he'll get votes calling from calling for one.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

That would be the SDP in 1981, Boy, what a difference they made.

You mean the SDP that went on to become part of the modern day Lib Dems and who helped form a government ? Whatever did happen to them ?

 

[spring hall convert]

Labour held their vote in Heywood and Middleton. LD + CON went from 50% to 17%.

Farage's hot air about mass swings from LAB are exactly that, hot air.

Still ,a good night for UKIP. I don't really think we should read a huge amount into it come GE time.

 

[spring hall convert]

Restricting foreigners on football teams

"Ukip feels the [lack of success of British teams] is largely a legacy of many British teams having too few British players in the team, and teams like Arsenal have taken to the field in the recent past with none whatsoever … Ukip would place a maximum of three foreign players in the starting line-up, as this would free up places for British players in the youth academies of these teams and spur the future development of home teams."

Proper dress in theatres

"Ukip will encourage a return to proper dress for major hotels, restaurants and theatres – smarter dress is part of Britishness, although it is also a British virtue to encourage innovation in fashion."

Investigating discrimination against white people at the BBC

"Ukip will pursue inquiries into alleged discrimination in favour of ethnic minority candidates in media outlets, such as the BBC, where there are allegations that white presenters had training stopped when training continued for non-white presenters."

Teaching more about the British empire and role of Arabs and Africans in slavery

"The patchy and biased teaching of history in schools, often very anti-British, is a major problem for a cohesive society. Part of the improved teaching will be a fair and factual analysis of the history of the British empire, which celebrates its achievements in terms of democracy, law, freedoms and trade and does not just acknowledge its faults. The issue of slavery in particular would also reflect the greater levels of trade by Arab slave traders (including the seizing of English citizens for slaves from the south-west), the role of African tribes in the trade and [William] Wilberforce's world-leading abolition campaign."

Making the Circle line a circle again

"Ukip will return London's Circle line to a circle – the complete circular service recently stopped. We will build grade-separated junctions to improve the number of trains and their reliability at Edgware Road, Gloucester Road and Aldgate."

Referendum on new mosques and banning the burqa

"Ukip would ban the wearing of the burqa and niqab veils in public places, as facial coverings are a major symbol of Wahhabism. Ukip would require a referendum for the building of any new religious place of worship, including mosques and 'Mega Mosques'."

Inquiry into Muslim-dominated 'no-go' areas

"Ukip is deeply concerned at the death threats made to Bishop Nazir Ali, the courageous bishop of Rochester, and the feeble reaction and false denial by the political establishment of his claims that there are Muslim-dominated 'no-go' areas in Britain. Ukip will hold a wide-ranging public inquiry to establish the truth into claims of 'no-go' areas and their causes, if proven."

Cancelling visas for failure to uphold British values

"All visas issued to non-British citizens will contain a summary of British values, and a commitment to uphold those values. Conspicuous failure to uphold those values, such as violent or criminal behaviour, will lead to the visa being automatically cancelled."

Glamorous railways

"Ukip will encourage a return to the glamour, grace and style of the railway companies of the past through its railway policies. Ukip seeks a return to 'Pullman' trains where justified, with appropriate branding such as 'Great Western Railway', one of the most successful British brands ever."

Giving MPs more freedom over their expenses

"We believe that in reality MPs must be awarded a degree of freedom and trust to manage their affairs, despite the recent scandals, and that providing opportunities to enrich themselves through the office are properly restricted … any small and inconsequential 'gains' such as first-class travel ought simply to be considered a minor perk and there is a practical need for MPs to be able to work during frequent travelling. It is unreasonable and unfeasible to ensure efficient and appropriate use for every £1, however the overall system must prevent excessive abuses being possible."

Restoration of imperial measures and the crown symbol on pint glasses

"Ukip would restore imperial measures for all weights and measures, restoring the crown symbol on pint glasses (now illegal under EU rules), safeguarding the mile, allowing the sale of vegetables and fruit in pounds and ounces, restoring acres not hectares, and require all media, businesses, schools and colleges to use imperial alongside metric measurements."

Repainting the trains in traditional colours

"The unseemly haste with which National Express destroyed the quality GNER brand by painting out its heraldry on service trains standing at rail stations was a disgrace. As with the iconic red bus in London, so the government should insist on a modernised form of traditional branding – chocolate and cream for Great Western, scarlet red for Midland, apple green for the east coast. These are icons of Britishness. Go-Ahead has shown the way with an excellent, tasteful branding of its Southern network."

Banning windfarms in case they harm fish

"Ukip would oppose all wind generated electrical power, particularly offshore, on cost and efficiency grounds. Offshore windfarms would impinge on established fishing grounds and there has been no research on how the magnetic and sonic vibrations of big wind turbines mounted on huge towers in deep water might affect fish."

The same income tax level for rich and poor

"Ukip will combine income tax and national insurance into a flat-rate income tax of 31% for all incomes over £11,500."

More swearing of allegiance to the Queen

"We deeply regret the drift towards swearing oaths of allegiance to the state rather than the monarchy, as with new policemen, which ignores the carefully balanced constitutional arrangement of Britain and risks elevating the authority of the government further. Ukip would require a comprehensive return to swearing allegiance to the Crown from all public servants and British subjects."

Cheaper beer

"Ukip would cut duty and taxes on traditional draught beers such as real ale, ciders and some lagers. Ukip would also allow landlords to write off against tax promotional costs for traditional beers through pub posters, beer mats and giveaways."

Opt-in sex education

"We will abolish 'Circle Time' discussion groups and scrap sex and relationships education in schools completely for children under the age of 10, except in the context of biology. We will make it optional for 10- to 11-year-olds – with parents choosing to opt their children in rather than having to opt out."

Banning European studies at universities

"We will abolish all lectureships and courses in European studies, including the 357 Jean Monnet projects in British universities. These are funded by the European Union, and are little more than avenues for pro-EU propaganda."

Letting schools bring back the cane

"We will pass legislation that establishes beyond doubt that schools and teachers have the right to discipline pupils without fearing legal action. Ukip will also give schools the choice of whether or not to use corporal punishment, but does not advocate this as a party."

Abolishing statutory maternity pay

"Rather than playing the 'money-go-round' with the attendant administrative burden, Ukip would abolish SMP entirely and simply allow parents who stay at home with their children to claim a weekly parental allowance set at the same level as the basic cash benefit proposed in our welfare policy (in other words, around £64 per week for parents aged 25 and above) regardless of how long they are off work and regardless of the other spouse's income."

No more 'equality' laws

"Ukip would scrap most 'equality and discrimination' legislation, cap all compensation payments and allow common sense to prevail. Ukip would punish fraudulent, mischievous complainants, including punishment for legal representatives who institute grossly excessive, speculative or fraudulent claims (such as some 'no win no fee' solicitors) through legal sanctions."

This is satire isn't it? Surely. (I'm up for the cheaper beer and being allowed to smoke dope in school bits though.)