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UK unemployment total reaches 17-year high



Biscuit

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Jul 8, 2003
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From the BBC: BBC News - UK unemployment total reaches 17-year high

UK unemployment rose by 114,000 between June and August to 2.57 million, a 17-year high, according to official figures.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) said the unemployment rate also increased to 8.1%.

The unemployment total for 16-24 year olds hit a record high of 991,000 in the quarter, a jobless rate of 21.3%.

The number of people out of work and claiming benefits rose 17,500 to 1.6 million in September.

Other figures showed a record cut in the number of part-time workers, down by 175,000, and there was also a record reduction of 74,000 in the number of over-65s in employment.

The Employment Secretary, Chris Grayling, said that what the UK was now seeing was "the impact of the international financial crisis".

He said although the UK was not in the euro, it was "not immune" to the problems currently being experienced in the eurozone and in countries such as Greece.

There have been criticisms of the government's deficit reduction programmes, with some analysts saying it was hampering economic growth.

The shadow work and pensions secretary, Liam Byrne, said the news marked "a day of judgment for the government".

"Today's figures are the clearest proof yet that the government's decision to cut too far and too fast is hurting and just not working. Unemployment is soaring, and more young people are out of work than ever before."
Confidence

The Bank of England recently said it would pump another £75bn into the economy through more quantitative easing (QE) to try to improve the business climate.

But Mr Grayling said the "important reason why we are pursuing deficit reduction" was to retain the confidence of commercial markets, and to encourage businesses to set up in the UK.

He also said that the latest available figures showed that over the past year, more jobs had been created in the private sector than had been lost in the public sector.

The TUC's general secretary Brendan Barber said: "These are terrible figures. The government's austerity measures have turned unemployment into a full-blown crisis - with job losses not seen since the darkest days of the recession.

"Worryingly, this is not simply the result of eurozone troubles. This unemployment crisis is state-sponsored and areas like the North East are paying a heavy price, with over one in 10 people out of work."
'Disaster'

The data drew a mixed reaction from economists.

Ross Walker, from RBS Financial Markets, said the picture was not altogether gloomy.

"The drop in total employment is bigger than people thought. But it is worth noting that it is almost entirely part-time," he said.

"So in the latest quarter, full-time employment - which to me is always the single most important indicator - was down just 2,000 and it's still up over the past year by about 124,000."

But Alan Clarke, of Scotia Capital, said the figures were a "disaster".

He added: "That (the data) shouldn't come as a surprise because the economy is growing at half the pace it needs to keep unemployment stable. That's not going to change anytime soon, so we should get used to numbers like this."

The chief economist at the Institute of Directors, Graeme Leach, said: "These are grim figures and are likely to get worse before they get better. But abandoning the deficit reduction plan will do the unemployed no favours.

"The hope is that QE2 will lift the money supply and economic activity, but the ongoing eurocrisis is pushing the UK towards a double-dip with increasing speed. All this is before the threat of contagion has actually materialised. We are sailing in stormy seas."

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Not a very happy read :S

My only question is while more quantitive easing may put more money in pockets, wouldn't some of that £75 billion be better spent on back to work schemes and incentives? Surely getting the economy working and having jobs available would put us on a stronger footing than getting the banks loaning again?
 




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I’ll make a spread betting price of 1-3 in posts before somebody leaves a “Tory government, high unemployment, civil unrest, who knew ?” type reply, and a price of 5-7 before it has descended into the usual “ clearing up after labours mess/heartless tory toffs type binfest”.
 


Tricky Dicky

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I’ll make a spread betting price of 1-3 in posts before somebody leaves a “Tory government, high unemployment, civil unrest, who knew ?” type reply, and a price of 5-7 before it has descended into the usual “ clearing up after labours mess/heartless tory toffs type binfest”.

You don't need it in posts, that was the sum total of PMQs today.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
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That 16-24 year old unemployment figure is f***ing shocking. Really f***ing shocking.
 






The last international financial crisis was the last governments fault.

The present international financial crisis isnt the present governments fault.

Depends who you talk to though, doesn't it? Tories would say what you quote, whereas Labour supporters would say that the government couldn't do anything about the 2008 crisis, but that Tory ideology-based cuts now are causing the terrible problems.
 


Biscuit

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Jul 8, 2003
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The last international financial crisis was the last governments fault.

The present international financial crisis isnt the present governments fault.

Interesting point. I've never thought of it like that before.

As I said above though my main issue is why we're spending £75 billion on QE when some of that money could be pumped into back to work schemes. Surely the facts and figures above outline that this is the most pressing issue at the moment.
 


BLOCK F

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Feb 26, 2009
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If the banks start lending again(to sound businesses!) it will help firms expand and thus be in a position to take on new people.
I am afraid unemployment will get worse before it gets better and for young people it is particularly worrying.It doesn't help youngsters that there is no enforced 'retirement' at 65 and whilst understanding why older people may want to carry on working, a whole load of unemployed dissaffected youths is a recipe for disaster.
No easy answer,but it certainly doesn't help with new employment red tape being heaped upon employers making them less willing to take on new people.
 




seagullsovergrimsby

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Aug 21, 2005
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That 16-24 year old unemployment figure is f***ing shocking. Really f***ing shocking.

It would be even worse if there wasn't an option to waste a couple of years at college before trying to find a job.
 


Icy Gull

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Jul 5, 2003
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Almost up to a page and no-one has blamed Maggie Thatcher yet.
 






Tubby Mondays

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Depends who you talk to though, doesn't it? Tories would say what you quote, whereas Labour supporters would say that the government couldn't do anything about the 2008 crisis, but that Tory ideology-based cuts now are causing the terrible problems.

I didnt mean it as a statement of fact. Quite the opposite in fact.

I was trying to get around the terms of what passes for debate on here.
 


Tubby Mondays

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Almost up to a page and no-one has blamed Maggie Thatcher yet.

O.K happy to.

A couple of plums who took their minds of biting the pillow in the dorm by dreaming of emulating Thatcher, have royally arsed it up by trying her tactics without considering that the world has changed in 30 years.
 


sir albion

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I think these figures are bollocks,do they count training scheme's etc etc,i would say its more like 4 million unemployed.

Yes its very very very concerning that we have so many youngsters dossing around with a bleak future,i suppose many could say its the influx of foreign workers thats made it so bad,these unskilled jobs are key to youngsters when they start out.
 




Billy the Fish

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Oct 18, 2005
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My only question is while more quantitive easing may put more money in pockets, wouldn't some of that £75 billion be better spent on back to work schemes and incentives? Surely getting the economy working and having jobs available would put us on a stronger footing than getting the banks loaning again?

Agree with that, and it's an extension of what we were talking about the other day with getting the right skills for the nations workforce. Not sure if it still happens but when I left college in 99 I did an apprenticeship where the government payed half my wages while I was training.

I wonder how much of this is due to people leaving University with degrees which are basically worthless, that really was the last governments fault. I can think of a couple of examples on this board of people who won a place at uni, but could barely write a sentence. We need to move away from a diluted higher education and put more focus on giving people skills in industries where they are needed - everyone's a winner.
 


Biscuit

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Jul 8, 2003
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I think these figures are bollocks,do they count training scheme's etc etc,i would say its more like 4 million unemployed.

Yes its very very very concerning that we have so many youngsters dossing around with a bleak future,i suppose many could say its the influx of foreign workers thats made it so bad,these unskilled jobs are key to youngsters when they start out.

Not saying wrong but just out of interest, what figures do you base that on? Are there really that many in training schemes?
 


KneeOn

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Jun 4, 2009
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I'm afraid the youth unemployment is a mix of lack of willingness to take a risk by employers and those who expect 9 pounds an hour doing an easy job.
 


JamesAndTheGiantHead

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Sep 2, 2011
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Falling into that 16 - 24 year old category I can vouch for how many of my friends have finished a University degree and are now sitting around twiddling their thumbs. It's not down to laziness, there's just nothing going at the moment. I actually dropped out of Uni when it dawned on me that I would probably be working freelance, self employed and with a giant student debt to pay off, and spent 6 miserable months on the dole until I got the job I currently have.

I volunteered for the 6 months that I was scrounging off society, and found it really fulfilling. I think voluntary work should be compulsory if you're signed on.
 




Biscuit

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Jul 8, 2003
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I actually dropped out of Uni when it dawned on me that I would probably be working freelance, self employed and with a giant student debt to pay off,

I graduated in 2009 and this is my life! I'd love something more perminant but I'm happy to be working and earning money in an industry I love.
 


Gus is god

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Sep 9, 2011
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I volunteered for the 6 months that I was scrounging off society, and found it really fulfilling. I think voluntary work should be compulsory if you're signed on.

100% this, as soon as im given the green light to get back to work Volunteer is the way im going, i have spoke to company's in Brighton already and they have said as soon as i get given the ok i can go along and have a chat, they know what i want to learn and who i want to help and they are willing to train me in it.
 


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