UK net migration hits record high

[BadFish]

Thats a good idea, lewes. If we are talking shouldering burdens, then lets take this to a logical conclusion. 25 per cent of lewes school places allocated to these kids. Same percentage of doctors appointments.

I am not anti accepting refugees, we jave a duty and if we are proud to be british then we should look seriously into how we can help, and the impact on our society, and planning for the future


But the amount of unthinking posturing mongs who think this is some sort of comic relief style feelgood event, make this discussion really difficult and entrench proples positions.

The impartial and emotive language coming out of the bbc and sections of the media right now is so loaded and partial its staggering.

Europe is like norman wisdom trapped in a revolving door on this crisis, germany has finally, after a century or so, succeeded in bringing down europe. Britains best chance is a pragmatic yet compassionate discussion, without being chained to these lunatics.

I think the unthinking posturing minds would be very happy with a pragmatic yet compassionate discussion on this topic (without the unnecessary insults perhaps).

But the question of how a problem will be solved cannot be answered without first deciding if it will be solved.

 

[Monkey Man]

But a register such as this does not exist, of course. But if you are this keen, and given that we have had mass immigration over many years, there must have been ample chance for you to do this. Surely a local mosque, or a charity which can't be too difficult to find on the net would have been able to help you find grateful occupants.
But how come all those who say that they will house this and that have never actually done so, when with real determination and given hundreds of thousands of immigrants, the opportunity must have been there in abundance.

Well to be quite honest the idea occurred to me about an hour ago, in response to recent news events and after reflecting on what relatively powerless people like me could do to help. But thanks for taking the opportunity to emphasise how hypocritical it is.

 

[BadFish]

Good to see Cameron is saying the UK will fulfill its moral responsibilities. At last he is awakening from his slumber. Lets see if words are matched by deeds.

I wish our PM would do the same

 

[The Spanish]

I think the unthinking posturing minds would be very happy with a pragmatic yet compassionate discussion on this topic (without the unnecessary insults perhaps). But the question of how a problem will be solved cannot be answered without first deciding if it will be solved.

That just gave me a headache.

Been at the bar with a good froend of mine who ce to miami aged 14 on the mariel boatlift, we watching the news and he telling me what happened when they arrived in key west. A ral eye opener, i dont claim to be an expert on this, but even 30 odd years ago the yanks handled it better it appears. Interesting few beers, helps you see it from someone in that positions view, who is now a proud american but realises the chaos it bought to south florida

 

[Bold Seagull]

11m empty homes across Europe. 700,000 empty homes in the UK. Shouldn't be that hard to collectively sort this crisis out should it really.

 

[BadFish]

That just gave me a headache.

Been at the bar with a good froend of mine who ce to miami aged 14 on the mariel boatlift, we watching the news and he telling me what happened when they arrived in key west. A ral eye opener, i dont claim to be an expert on this, but even 30 odd years ago the yanks handled it better it appears. Interesting few beers, helps you see it from someone in that positions view, who is now a proud american but realises the chaos it bought to south florida

Enjoy your night. It a shitty situation which ever way you look at it. Don't think we can avoid the chaos just push it somewhere else.

 

[Monkey Man]

This says it all Listen to this Labour MP saying we should invite them into our houses, but wouldn't answer when asked if he'll do the same.

https://audioboom.com/boos/3533118-...=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

I'm not sure it does "say it all". I would argue that the genuine revulsion towards what's happening to Syrian refugees is beyond whatever response you might elicit from politicians. Genuinely: if there was a central register started tomorrow, for people ready to offer accommodation to people fleeing war and terror, I reckon you would find places for thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of frightened people. Maybe MPs would be among those signatories and maybe they wouldn't.

 

[Captain Sensible]

A few observations. After seeing report after report of Migrant crisis in Calais, Greece, Budepest etc..
Why are 90% or so of these migrants men? Where are all the women especially young women? Occasionally we'll see a woman holding a young kid but outnumbered about 10 to 1 by men.
Also how can people argue that most the migrants are not economic? Alot of them wearing decent clothes. Saw some nice trainers and some expensive Nike t shirts among many. They aren't wearing rags. Many are well dressed or at least dressed in decent enough gear.
I know they are desperate, I know they want a better life. But they might be able to escape the carnage of Syria etc, but once they make it into neighbouring countries, they actually have no right to just choose the country they want to live in. I think the Germans and French are deluded. Deluded if they think they are gonna share out 160,000 migrants and those migrants are gonna be happy if the country that accepts them is not Germany!
The other point is right at the end of the BBC news tonight, the reporter talked of a man from Pakistan just chancing it along with many others just to get into Europe. If you just open the gates, more and more will come and more will tragically die.
So its ok for politicians to sit in their tax payer paid houses and announce we need to take in migrants. But their families aren't the ones most likely competing for a school place or a doctors or hospital appointment, get access to housing etc etc. We are shunning looking after and doing more for our own poor population of which there are millions in some form of proverty. UK child provity is happening right now, yet it only gets mentioned on children in need night in November. I think the stance taken by Hungary is the correct one and if other countries took the same stance to process asylum requests correctly then this mess wouldn't be as bad as it is.
Many things need to be done to help, but opening the flood gates to mainly men from North Africa (and other areas) is not gonna solve it.

 

[beorhthelm]

1.75m in Turkey, 1.2m in Lebanon, 630,000 in Jordan, 105,000 in Germany, 5,000 in the UK. But that's not a fair share apparently.

i dont know if you or your source are deliberatly doing this, but those numbers look suspisiously like they are mixing all asylum seekers with asylum seekers from Syria. UK typically takes in 30k, while Germany near 120k-200? (difficult to get clear as they have increased dramactically for Germany. w're been consistant for decades, Germany until recent years admitted slightly few than us). and this doesnt count migrants total. as noted with no border controls following Schengen, once in EU people can move without challenge, but we are out of Schengen and have a large moat, so with their economy, more people head for Germany.

in any case the best place for refugees is near their home land, so they can return. seems to be consistantly overlooked. i'll say again , there it little reason to leave Turkey in search of asylum, thats a safe place for Syrians to stay.

 

[beorhthelm]

To confuse matters further various EU nations have been chopping and changing up their own rules,or should i say their interpretation of Schengen rules over the past few weeks........its all a bit of a mess.

yes it is. and while on the one hand Mother Merkel is saying come in to the Syrians, she is also asking nations to suspend Schengen while they get ready. note she doesnt want to close her borders, she want others to. but then criticise the Hungarians for enforcing it and other EU law. a big fat mess.

and the other thing thats getting on my nerve is the blatant attempts by some to make political capital out of the situtation. our government is actually behaving consistantly with the majority of Europe (and the law as i can tell), but you'd think we were the only nation in the world objecting to taking in migrants the way some carry on. people need to recognise that allowing in more migrants, economic, asylum seekers or refugees, is not going to do anything to address the tradegies occuring 1000 miles away. we need to start seperating the issues to understand and address them properly.

 

[Captain Sensible]

i dont know if you or your source are deliberatly doing this, but those numbers look suspisiously like they are mixing all asylum seekers with asylum seekers from Syria. UK typically takes in 30k, while Germany near 120k-200? (difficult to get clear as they have increased dramactically for Germany. w're been consistant for decades, Germany until recent years admitted slightly few than us). and this doesnt count migrants total. as noted with no border controls following Schengen, once in EU people can move without challenge, but we are out of Schengen and have a large moat, so with their economy, more people head for Germany.

in any case the best place for refugees is near their home land, so they can return. seems to be consistantly overlooked. i'll say again , there it little reason to leave Turkey in search of asylum, thats a safe place for Syrians to stay.

Correct the UK has taken in 350,000 since 2011 5,000 have been allowed to stay permanently.

Also look at the OP, it was about how the government have failed to get Net migration to tens of thousands instead of 100's of thousands? And yet this week...the government gets hammered for not taking in more.
I'm no fan of this government, but Cameron is between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Correct the UK has taken in 350,000 since 2011 5,000 have been allowed to stay permanently.

Also look at the OP, it was about how the government have failed to get Net migration to tens of thousands instead of 100's of thousands? And yet this week...the government gets hammered for not taking in more.
I'm no fan of this government, but Cameron is between a rock and a hard place.

Are you really unable to separate typical migration patterns with the current crisis?

 

[cunning fergus]

11m empty homes across Europe. 700,000 empty homes in the UK. Shouldn't be that hard to collectively sort this crisis out should it really.

The homeless charity Shelter indicate there are already 1.8m households in England waiting for social housing.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/campa...ocial_housing/Why_we_need_more_social_housing

Assuming your 700k is used to meet this existing demand that would leave 1.1m on the housing list...........or do you think these people be put to the back of the queue in favour of our new friends?

 

[Bold Seagull]

The homeless charity Shelter indicate there are already 1.8m households in England waiting for social housing.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/campa...ocial_housing/Why_we_need_more_social_housing

Assuming your 700k is used to meet this existing demand that would leave 1.1m on the housing list...........or do you think these people be put to the back of the queue in favour of our new friends?

'our new friends' - my goodness what a pleasant human being you must be. Let's hope you never need any help one day.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Are you really unable to separate typical migration patterns with the current crisis?

I don't have to. That's Cameron's job. It's not like the Syrian war has just started. Those 350000 are in those figures over the past 5 years. Yet last week there was outrage at the sheer Net migration numbers, and this week pressure to add to that figure. Just a week in politics.

 

[Captain Sensible]

The homeless charity Shelter indicate there are already 1.8m households in England waiting for social housing.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/campa...ocial_housing/Why_we_need_more_social_housing

Assuming your 700k is used to meet this existing demand that would leave 1.1m on the housing list...........or do you think these people be put to the back of the queue in favour of our new friends?

I am a Polar opposite to you CF in our views on the EU and the UK's membership of it. I think we belong firmly in it. But your point is a very valid one. As I said in my post above. If we are to take in thousands refugees, we are shunning our own populous that are on or below the poverty line. Austerity, shortage of housing and over populated cities, the help for our own poor will dilute further.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I don't have to. That's Cameron's job. It's not like the Syrian war has just started. Those 350000 are in those figures over the past 5 years. Yet last week there was outrage at the sheer Bet migration numbers, and this week pressure to add to that figure. Just a week in politics.

It's not a week in politics it's an unfolding crisis involving many tragic deaths, desperation and no doubt suffering. The concern that some maybe young men chancing their arm shouldn't preclude a plan of action to help the vulnerable and those most in need, particularly young families. No idea what your 350k figure is, it's not asylum seekers or refugees, is it annual net migration?

 

[usernameisvalid]

The self entitlement from these refugees is quite staggering. They were already in safe camps in Turkey but obviously that was not enough, its obvious what they want. Luxury!
And the amount of men running away like cowards is a real eye opener, they don't exactly look like a pleasant bunch who are going to respect the cultures of the countries they're aiming for. Imagine if all the Brits and Americans decided to run off and claim asylum elsewhere in the World Wars. Europe is on its knees now and its exactly want ISIS wanted. The lefties should hang their heads in shame for playing their part in all this chaos.

 

[BadFish]

The self entitlement from these refugees is quite staggering. They were already in safe camps in Turkey but obviously that was not enough, its obvious what they want. Luxury!
And the amount of men running away like cowards is a real eye opener, they don't exactly look like a pleasant bunch who are going to respect the cultures of the countries they're aiming for. Imagine if all the Brits and Americans decided to run off and claim asylum elsewhere in the World Wars. Europe is on its knees now and its exactly want ISIS wanted. The lefties should hang their heads in shame for playing their part in all this chaos.

I don't think there is anything in that post that is based in fact. All assumption and opinion.

 

[cunning fergus]

'our new friends' - my goodness what a pleasant human being you must be. Let's hope you never need any help one day.

Sure, I need to be sent off to the re-education centre.............war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

That's it isn't it?