[News] UFO Report: US Finds No Explanation For Sightings

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It's not a question of evidence 'to my liking', it's evidence that is without question/dispute/open to interpretation/flights of fancy....just...proper evidence.

I love the idea of 'alternative' evidence, 'evidence' that is not based on proof. I love the idea that if you don't open your mind to alternative viewpoints your'e very 'primitive' and possibly even a 'fool'. I love the idea that all the evidence of everythimg from aliens to the paranormal used to be on the internet, but it has all been taken down. I love the idea that the American government (because it has to be them, right?) is so clever it can hide all the (alternative) evidence from the rest of us. I'd really like to know whether any US president knows about this stuff. Does Obama know? What about Trump? If not Trump, who has been directing the censoring of the internet? Could it be that the world is secretly being run by aliens, who foolishly alowed all the secrets on to the internet, then managed to remove all he evidence leaving no trace? Not even someone's screen shot? The less it adds up the more likely it is to be true, right? Isn't that how alternative truth works?

I used to love all this shit when I was a kid. I guess it feels nicer to base a belief system around something untestable and unprovable and unknown, rather than the boring old bible or Quran. Modern, secret, exciting, with a conspiracy to boot.

And what if they are right? What if? We can never prove it either way. Never. Any evidence to the contrary could be fake. It is as perfect as any religion, and if you refuse to believe it simply shows that you have a closed mind, and are not special

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Can't help but feel this push in UFO news is there for anti vaccers and other conspiracist to put their energies into something more harmless.

Conspiracy theorists have been saying for some time that governments will use the disclosure of a possible alien threat, to further terrify and control the masses.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It will always be "outed" as fake / CGI / photoshop, whatever. Manage to get a good video and it is too good, manage to get a bad one and it is too bad. Considering this, you'll obviously never find satisfying evidence. The only evidence that would be good enough would be if some authority told you "this is the evidence". Then the evidence, good or bad, will be good enough regardless of how you had considered it in the past. Thats how the majority functions.

Scientists tests things by experiment. You are a very rude man to pretend that we just believe what we are told. Part of your alternative truth I assume

 

[birthofanorange]

Scientists tests things by experiment. You are a very rude man to pretend that we just believe what we are told. Part of your alternative truth I assume

I wouldn't say rude, just a bit addled.

 

[vagabond]

It really isn't, and I wish it was....but it isn't. The only only that look vaguely craft-like (over the water) looks more like a clay pigeon.

No, nothing at all suggests in any way, that there is evidence of alien visitors.

As I say, I really wish there was.

Clay pigeon.. I think that’s a bit silly and insulting to the Navy and those taking this footage. Surely we can both agree the military wouldn’t be chasing a clay pigeon. It’s reasonable to agree on that.

If I recall that footage is going at an insane speed and being tracked at a very far distance. Multiple testimonies on that footage from US pilots. “Faster than anything in our inventory”.

It’s better to say “I don’t know” sometimes. I sure don’t.

https://youtu.be/uXmQHwmNa_4

 

[Swansman]

You do live in a funny little world, don't you?

I do. I live in a world where every fourth year people elect a liar and each time they choose to believe in the lies of the new liar so they go to vote just to find out they were lied to again. This is repeated over and over again, because no evidence of all of their lies and betrayals will be enough to make people think in any other direction than "we need a new authority" (= yet another liar). The human mind is a very weak thing, very easy to control.

Scientists tests things by experiment. You are a very rude man to pretend that we just believe what we are told. Part of your alternative truth I assume

Yes and some things you cant test and some things are tested by scientists you dont know and where you'll never see what the tests resulted in.

 

[birthofanorange]

Clay pigeon.. I think that’s a bit silly and insulting to the Navy and those taking this footage. Surely we can both agree the military wouldn’t be chasing a clay pigeon. It’s reasonable to agree on that.

If I recall that footage is going at an insane speed and being tracked at a very far distance. Multiple testimonies on that footage from US pilots. “Faster than anything in our inventory”.

It’s better to say “I don’t know” sometimes. I sure don’t.

https://youtu.be/uXmQHwmNa_4

Yes, I was being facetious re: clay pigeon, but my point was that there is still zero evidence of 'craft', let alone craft that are alien-controlled.
I fully accept there are plenty of unidentified things, but that in no way implies that they are not earthly in origin.

 

[boik]

Clay pigeon.. I think that’s a bit silly and insulting to the Navy and those taking this footage. Surely we can both agree the military wouldn’t be chasing a clay pigeon. It’s reasonable to agree on that.

If I recall that footage is going at an insane speed and being tracked at a very far distance. Multiple testimonies on that footage from US pilots. “Faster than anything in our inventory”.

It’s better to say “I don’t know” sometimes. I sure don’t.

https://youtu.be/uXmQHwmNa_4

If these things have presumably (as in presumed by believers) come in from outside our atmosphere, then you'd expect there to be far better photos and information from the plethora of satellites and earth-based observatories that specialise in tracking near earth objects? I can understand footage from a fast moving jet being a bit dodgy, but we have far better platforms than that. I presume the astronomers have all been got at by the government?

 

[vagabond]

I love the idea of 'alternative' evidence, 'evidence' that is not based on proof. I love the idea that if you don't open your mind to alternative viewpoints your'e very 'primitive' and possibly even a 'fool'. I love the idea that all the evidence of everythimg from aliens to the paranormal used to be on the internet, but it has all been taken down. I love the idea that the American government (because it has to be them, right?) is so clever it can hide all the (alternative) evidence from the rest of us. I'd really like to know whether any US president knows about this stuff. Does Obama know? What about Trump? If not Trump, who has been directing the censoring of the internet? Could it be that the world is secretly being run by aliens, who foolishly alowed all the secrets on to the internet, then managed to remove all he evidence leaving no trace? Not even someone's screen shot? The less it adds up the more likely it is to be true, right? Isn't that how alternative truth works?

I used to love all this shit when I was a kid. I guess it feels nicer to base a belief system around something untestable and unprovable and unknown, rather than the boring old bible or Quran. Modern, secret, exciting, with a conspiracy to boot.

And what if they are right? What if? We can never prove it either way. Never. Any evidence to the contrary could be fake. It is as perfect as any religion, and if you refuse to believe it simply shows that you have a closed mind, and are not special

Some good points. But it’s completely fine to accept and believe in an old man in the sky keeping score without any real evidence or proof.

 

[vagabond]

If these things have presumably (as in presumed by believers) come in from outside our atmosphere, then you'd expect there to be far better photos and information from the plethora of satellites and earth-based observatories that specialise in tracking near earth objects? I can understand footage from a fast moving jet being a bit dodgy, but we have far better platforms than that. I presume the astronomers have all been got at by the government?

Your last comment is a bit silly. Of course I don’t think that.

The rest, good question I don’t know.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Some good points. But it’s completely fine to accept and believe in an old man in the sky keeping score without any real evidence or proof.

In what way 'completely fine'? I'm not advocating it. Are you?

I personally have no real issue with religion. It is what it is, and as a private matter it is indeed perfectly fine, like crossing one's fingers for luck. There again I may* pray to a god to help me or my family, or the poor and suffering, as a sort of 'wishing out loud', but I wouldn't pray to a god to get my shopping, or my cooking done, or my car to start or the lights to come on when I throw the switch. That would be silly.

On that note, though, if it is rational and reasonable to pray to ask god to save the souls of all the poor and suffering, and thank him for all the nice things, why is it wrong to pray that a door will open when a train arrives to make it easier for an old man to get off? Why is it wrong to pray that food will appear, as a miracle, on the plates of the hungry? Why is it OK to pray for nebulous depersonalised miracles, but not for anything specific and practical?

Religion is a funny old thing. I suppose the answer is that I would understand if only I truly believed, and, indeed, that my musings are simply a test of faith for the believers. With belief you can never be wrong. It's.....a miracle!

 

[vagabond]

In what way 'completely fine'? I'm not advocating it. Are you?

I personally have no real issue with religion. It is what it is, and as a private matter it is indeed perfectly fine, like crossing one's fingers for luck. There again I may* pray to a god to help me or my family, or the poor and suffering, as a sort of 'wishing out loud', but I wouldn't pray to a god to get my shopping, or my cooking done, or my car to start or the lights to come on when I throw the switch. That would be silly.

On that note, though, if it is rational and reasonable to pray to ask god to save the souls of all the poor and suffering, and thank him for all the nice things, why is it wrong to pray that a door will open when a train arrives to make it easier for an old man to get off? Why is it wrong to pray that food will appear, as a miracle, on the plates of the hungry? Why is it OK to pray for nebulous depersonalised miracles, but not for anything specific and practical?

Religion is a funny old thing. I suppose the answer is that I would understand if only I truly believed, and, indeed, that my musings are simply a test of faith for the believers. With belief you can never be wrong. It's.....a miracle!

No not a follower of religious matters at all. What’s wrong with it? Where do you start.

But what you said below I found interesting as it’s completely applicable to religion. “A belief system around something untestable and unproven”. I couldn’t put it better myself.

I used to love all this shit when I was a kid. I guess it feels nicer to base a belief system around something untestable and unprovable and unknown, rather than the boring old bible or Quran. Modern, secret, exciting, with a conspiracy to boot.

And what if they are right? What if? We can never prove it either way. Never. Any evidence to the contrary could be fake. It is as perfect as any religion, and if you refuse to believe it simply shows that you have a closed mind, and are not special

As to the topic. Meh. I personally think the odds of other life in an infinite universe very likely indeed. And most mainstream scientists would now agree. Once you accept that it’s hard to discredit or completely write off oddities like the Navy testimony and video above.

 

[birthofanorange]

I personally think the odds of other life in an infinite universe very likely indeed. And most mainstream scientists would now agree. Once you accept that it’s hard to discredit or completely write off oddities like the Navy testimony and video above.

I fully agree - the odds are that there is tons of other life 'out there', but I have no conflict in discrediting 'oddities' or 'testimonies' without provable evidence, which still doesn't exist. Yet.

 

[Motogull]

If there is real evidence of visitors from outer space, you can see why heads of state would shit themselves at the prospects of going public with it.

 

[Barham's tash]

Genuine question Harry, why are you so opposed to such thoughts? You only have to scratch the surface of quantum physics or string theory to appreciate that not only is it possible it’s actually probable.

 

[birthofanorange]

If there is real evidence of visitors from outer space, you can see why heads of state would shit themselves at the prospects of going public with it.

I can't imagine the hassle trying to get them to apply for pre-settled/settled status.

Bloody aliens, coming down here...etc.

 

[Questions]

There is definitely simple life like bacteria on other planets but nothing like us. If an asteroid hadn't hit earth its more than likely dinosaurs would still be roaming and we'd never have even existed.

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Which species of dinosaur would have developed into forming a government ?

 

[Winker]

I fully agree - the odds are that there is tons of other life 'out there', but I have no conflict in discrediting 'oddities' or 'testimonies' without provable evidence, which still doesn't exist. Yet.

I'm coming in late to this thread but give me a run-down on how this was done. Please don't include university students at night with a piece of wood and some rope!

 

[birthofanorange]

I'm coming in late to this thread but give me a run-down on how this was done. Please don't include university students at night with a piece of wood and some rope!

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It's impressive, but nothing suggests aliens/spirits/hand of god/s to me.

 

[Igzilla]

“The US Department of Defense (DoD) has released three videos that it says show evidence of "unidentified" flying objects”

Watch the video I posted. Easily explainable without recourse to aliens or physics defying human tech. Occam's razor and all.