[News] UFO Report: US Finds No Explanation For Sightings

[Happy Exile]

So they've confirmed that US airspace has physical objects flying in it that aren't their own, and they don't know where they come from? Given how much they seem to know about, say, the Iranian nuclear programme you'd think it impossible any country could develop this technology without the US knowing. So the bigger question this raises for me is why they don't seem to be viewing it as hostile. How does that work, that they let stuff fly over their country and military unchallenged?

 

[Igzilla]

Whilst I'd love it to be aliens, this is a more reasoned view of the footage, at least...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv-sbtCAz9Y

tl:dr it's the instruments...

 

[vagabond]

In addition, I find it ridiculous to assume that we are the only place that intelligent life has popped up, at this time. I don’t believe minor changes in our setup would have meant no life. It would have meant _different_ life.

Assuming we are alone is biblical in its conceit.

Correct.

Not to mention Artificial Life. It’s funny how many assume by life in the universe we mean little green men. Look at the technological revolution we’re in the midst of. It’s very possible AI could live on in some capacity as a successor to a race or a merging of the two.

Was that not Arthur C Clarke’s thoughts, that any life we’d find would most likely be machine.

 

[Eeyore]

It seems incredible that folk are prepared to kill and maim in the name of an invisible angry God, or condemn the acts but not the devotions of those who do, yet struggle with the idea of other life forms.

I find it interesting that Obama would not be drawn on the UFO subject. Trump was like an excited schoolchild and there may have been a fear he might open his gob. A former Israeli head of space security went even further suggesting contact had been made, even talking of agreements in place. The White House and The Pentagon offered no comment. A number of years ago a former Canadian mandarin had offered something similar.

The issue here is the human psychology. It's a bit like the global warming theory. Something seen as cranky or dangerous, yet holding substance, needs to enter the mainstream in a managed way. And thus we have it here. What was seen as the vestige of crack pots, but now starts to seep slowly into mainstream discussion. It's a question of not so much the substance but who manages it.

On a personal level I have always believed that this planet does not hold the only life forms. That it is possible that life didn't start here. I wasn't sure about the UFO theories. But now I think some may be true. Why ? because the US government have successfully managed my psychology on that one. I'm not sure what else they are preparing me for over the years or if I live to see that.

One thing is for sure, their only concern is threat. If there is no threat then I'm a bit 'meh'. Just make sure the wall to wall coverage of the first inter-galaxy meet up doesn't stop coverage of the Test match. I'd be pissed at that.

 

[Baldseagull]

More likely inter dimensional probes than Aliens per se.

Expect this is softening us up for future disclosure in the not too distant future.

Tonnes of debate out there on this stuff for those interested. At least it’s more mainstream and less ridiculed than it was. Helps deflect from the total and utter shash that the rest of societal norms have become [everything dumbed down and aimed at lowest common denominator stuff].

Given that we can't be sure other dimensions exist, and we know other stars with earth like planets exist, that is a bold statement. Lets assume other dimensions exist though, we have no understanding of how it would be possible to pass between them, but we do know what is required to move between stars, even if we can't do it currently.
Dozens of theories exist as to the what and where of UFO's, all seem fantastic and improbable, but I wouldn't bet on any more likely than the stellar neighbours taking a peek over the fence.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

86% of the world's species are unknown (this was 2011, but the numbers won't have changed much).

Does this mean they are aliens?

Must be

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...es-8-7-million-biology-planet-animals-science

(FFS! I understand confirmation bias but, blimy, we are supposed to be civilised and educated. Lamptey believes in ghosts. Many on NSC believe in a god. And space aliens obviously visit us regularly, undetected. Obviously).

 

[Swansman]

So they've confirmed that US airspace has physical objects flying in it that aren't their own, and they don't know where they come from? Given how much they seem to know about, say, the Iranian nuclear programme you'd think it impossible any country could develop this technology without the US knowing. So the bigger question this raises for me is why they don't seem to be viewing it as hostile. How does that work, that they let stuff fly over their country and military unchallenged?

In the 1940s the Air Forces chased UFOs all over the place. It wasnt even a secret. Then the Robertson Panel decided they wanted to decrease public interest in the phenomenon and the cases were retrospectively officially deemed as "chasing weather balloons", to much frustration of these pilots who knew they were not chasing balloons. The reason they are not seen as hostile is probably because little indicates they are - there are millions and millions of reports from the military, the public, mass sightings, but you'll struggle to find anyone saying they've been bombed, shot at or beat up by some UFO.

 

[Happy Exile]

In the 1940s the Air Forces chased UFOs all over the place. It wasnt even a secret. Then the Robertson Panel decided they wanted to decrease public interest in the phenomenon and the cases were retrospectively officially deemed as "chasing weather balloons", to much frustration of these pilots who knew they were not chasing balloons. The reason they are not seen as hostile is probably because little indicates they are - there are millions and millions of reports from the military, the public, mass sightings, but you'll struggle to find anyone saying they've been bombed, shot at or beat up by some UFO.

Yep, just seems odd to barely even acknowledge that security is so compromised - even if there's no threat it's still a big deal (I think) for the most powerful nation, and one with such pride in it's military, to admit they can't prevent something. I really hope we find out more in my lifetime.

 

[Swansman]

86% of the world's species are unknown (this was 2011, but the numbers won't have changed much).

Does this mean they are aliens?

Must be

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...es-8-7-million-biology-planet-animals-science

(FFS! I understand confirmation bias but, blimy, we are supposed to be civilised and educated. Lamptey believes in ghosts. Many on NSC believe in a god. And space aliens obviously visit us regularly, undetected. Obviously).

Some people believe that the bloodthirsty, always-in-a-war human species is civilised and that the had-a-closer-look-at-0,000000000000000000000000001% of the universe human is educated. They are also incapable of comprehending, despite the long existence of military stealth technology, that someone with perhaps much more advanced technology would have been able to develop stealth technology to avoid our radar technology. They also believe, despite knowing about state secrets and classified information, that the public would get the full information of these things were indeed detected.

Some people are that naive, insular and incapable of believing in anything that doesnt exist in their dusty offices or in their sticky magazines where the peers of their circle jerk circles confirm eachothers narrow-minded perspectives.

Some people are very proud to be part of these circles that their egos grow and grow until the day their self-percieved self-importance reaches a level where they feel superior enough to casually reject that there could be things that are not known to them.

In other words, Lamptey might believe in ghosts, billions of people might believe in God, millions in alien species. You find it ridiculous and inferior, because these things dont match with what you believe in (first and foremost your own brilliance, then the brilliance of those like you).

 

[Hugo Rune]

In the 1940s the Air Forces chased UFOs all over the place. It wasnt even a secret. Then the Robertson Panel decided they wanted to decrease public interest in the phenomenon and the cases were retrospectively officially deemed as "chasing weather balloons", to much frustration of these pilots who knew they were not chasing balloons. The reason they are not seen as hostile is probably because little indicates they are - there are millions and millions of reports from the military, the public, mass sightings, but you'll struggle to find anyone saying they've been bombed, shot at or beat up by some UFO.

If they have the technology to travel to this planet, I suspect they are well beyond hostile intentions. I would assume that UAPs (the rebranded UFO acronym) are here to observe for science or entertainment reasons, it’s also extremely likely that they are human in origin but from a future time seeing as intelligent life in our galaxy is only likely to have started once according to a recent version of the Drake equation; it’s more likely (to me) that the human race discovers time travel in the future than we are visited by alien beings/technology.

The conclusion of the recent Canal+/Fox version of War Of The Worlds was very telling for me.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Some people believe that the bloodthirsty, always-in-a-war human species is civilised and that the had-a-closer-look-at-0,000000000000000000000000001% of the universe human is educated. They are also incapable of comprehending, despite the long existence of military stealth technology, that someone with perhaps much more advanced technology would have been able to develop stealth technology to avoid our radar technology. They also believe, despite knowing about state secrets and classified information, that the public would get the full information of these things were indeed detected.

Some people are that naive, insular and incapable of believing in anything that doesnt exist in their dusty offices or in their sticky magazines where the peers of their circle jerk circles confirm eachothers narrow-minded perspectives.

Some people are very proud to be part of these circles that their egos grow and grow until the day their self-percieved self-importance reaches a level where they feel superior enough to casually reject that there could be things that are not known to them.

In other words, Lamptey might believe in ghosts, billions of people might believe in God, millions in alien species. You find it ridiculous and inferior, because these things dont match with what you believe in (first and foremost your own brilliance, then the brilliance of those like you).

Sometimes you can be extraodinarily silly. You fulminate about my skepticism like an old baptist would fulminate about my not believeing that every word of the bible is literally true.

 

[Swansman]

Sometimes you can be extraodinarily silly. You fulminate about my skepticism like an old baptist would fulminate about my not believeing that every word of the bible is literally true.

I just know the kind. I'm from a university city, it happens endless amounts of time that people have some philosophical/out-of-the-box conversation gets interrupted by some bloke who studied some fungi for 35 years, and therefore believes he is mr-know-it-all, sticks his head in and says "and some believe in Santa Claus".

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I just know the kind. I'm from a university city, it happens endless amounts of time that people have some philosophical/out-of-the-box conversation gets interrupted by some bloke who studied some fungi for 35 years, and therefore believes he is mr-know-it-all, sticks his head in and says "and some believe in Santa Claus".

Stop now. I didn't interrupt you. You interrupted me. You were not having any philosophical/out of the box conversation. You need to stay calmer when people like me take the piss out of the 'paranormal'. It doesn't make you a higher being to believe in stuff because it lacks proof (making it special goods). And if you think you are engaged in higher level discussions you should be unconcerned when people like me snigger at you, and not get all pissy

 

[FatSuperman]

It’s also extremely likely that they are human in origin but from a future time seeing as intelligent life in our galaxy is only likely to have started once according to a recent version of the Drake equation; it’s more likely (to me) that the human race discovers time travel in the future than we are visited by alien beings/technology.

El-quiad: Barron, I refuse to believe that this ancient human flailed around as much as the records suggest, even in those tumultuous times
Barron: Elk, I am telling you, it's probably worse than we think. Let's jump in the time machine and check for ourselves

 

[Wrong-Direction]

There is definitely simple life like bacteria on other planets but nothing like us. If an asteroid hadn't hit earth its more than likely dinosaurs would still be roaming and we'd never have even existed.

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[TugWilson]

I`m surprised supposed intelligent people would even contemplate dismissing UFO`s ( stuff UAP - it was only reclassified to make it sound less familiar to the average joe ) . Ufo`s have been visiting us for thousands of years , the Australian aborigines and the North American indians have always known of their existance . Rock art can be traced back thousands of years , and there exists a South American tribe who have been worshipping people from Sirius B , for thousands of years before we had the ability to see it`s existence by telescope .

Millions of people see them and sometimes their occupants every year , commercial and military pilots see them all the time , with miles of gun camera footage . They are picked up on radar all the time and have been tracked leaving and entering our atmosphere , but no they cant exist can they because we are the mighty human race , the dipshits with ALL the answers , well we hav`nt .

Disclosure started in the 50`s and depending on who is in the Whitehouse depends on whether it takes a step forward or backward . They are not ( All ) ours , although i personally believe we have tried to back engineer some of their technology , how ever if a country did own these craft they would undoubtedly be classified as a first strike weapon , and i doubt if we would be talking now because someone would have probably used them such is our record as a species .

 

[Baker lite]

Very interesting interview on talk radio just now, it was with the Former Master at arms of USS Princeton, part of the Nimitz carrier battle group.... spooky stuff indeed.[emoji89]


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[beorhthelm]

In the 1940s the Air Forces chased UFOs all over the place. It wasnt even a secret. Then the Robertson Panel decided they wanted to decrease public interest in the phenomenon and the cases were retrospectively officially deemed as "chasing weather balloons", to much frustration of these pilots who knew they were not chasing balloons. The reason they are not seen as hostile is probably because little indicates they are - there are millions and millions of reports from the military, the public, mass sightings, but you'll struggle to find anyone saying they've been bombed, shot at or beat up by some UFO.

exaggeration much? "millions" of reports on the week the Pentagon reports 144 unexplained sightings. i had to check i hadnt missed any 0's.

whats fascinating is the obsession with this phenomena with such conviction, with such lack of evidence. we've a decade of carrying around high quality recording tools, but the evidence has remained at sweet fa. while its seems highly likely other life exists, it seems highly unlikely they would happen upon our blue-green planet in an unfashionable part of the galaxy, then come down to buzz planes and interfere with cattle. intelligent life yet teen prank level of interaction.

 

[Doc Lynam]

Can't help but feel this push in UFO news is there for anti vaccers and other conspiracist to put their energies into something more harmless.

 

[Swansman]

exaggeration much? "millions" of reports on the week the Pentagon reports 144 unexplained sightings. i had to check i hadnt missed any 0's.

whats fascinating is the obsession with this phenomena with such conviction, with such lack of evidence. we've a decade of carrying around high quality recording tools, but the evidence has remained at sweet fa. while its seems highly likely other life exists, it seems highly unlikely they would happen upon our blue-green planet in an unfashionable part of the galaxy, then come down to buzz planes and interfere with cattle. intelligent life yet teen prank level of interaction.

144 unexplained sightings reported by military planes in the last 15 years yes but then add the reports from civilians over another 50 years and all across the world, and you'll most likely reach the millions.

As for "lack of evidence", who knows? Put a video of a top classified secret military base on some social media and its gone in minutes. If you manage to somehow release it in some other way, there are numerous ways someone could discredit you as someone crazy and 90% will blindly believe it however not-crazy you may be.